Εχει να προτείνει κανείς αξιόλογα eshops Ευρώπης;;;

Ο χρήστης SSK έγραψε:
Εχει να προτείνει κανείς αξιόλογα eshops Ευρώπης;;;

θα ήταν πολύ καλό αυτό παιδιά ώστε και εμείς οι αδαείς στο θέμα τούτο σιγά σιγά να μπαίνουμε σε μια γραμμή.

Thw best true professional's diver's watch with in house movement

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Nikos

Ο χρήστης Krusenstern έγραψε:

@KRUS
Ευχαριστώ για τις πληροφορίες!
Όντως, πανέμορφα ρολόγια τα spring drive της Seiko, αλλά δεν τα έχω δει ποτέ στην Ελλάδα.

... και δύσκολα θα τα δεις. Ο Έλληνας στα 3-4k παίρνει Ρόλεξ.-

καλα δε κανει;

Αν του αρέσουν τα Ρόλεξ, καλά κάνει
Αν το παίρνει γιατί πιστεύει ότι παίρνει ό,τι καλύτερο στα 4k, ΔΕΝ κάνει καλά

Στέλιο, καλοφόρετο το Premier, κούκλα είναι

Με 3-4 Κ παίρνεις το 'φτηνό' Rolex αντί για κάποιο καλό μοντέλο άλλης εταιρίας. Το παίρνεις δηλαδή για το όνομα, υποχρεωτικά όμως παίρνεις το απλό μοντέλο. Κάτι σαν να παίρνεις BMW 316 αντί για κάποια καλή έκδοση ενός άλλου μοντέλου δηλαδή

Θα συμφωνησω με Krus. Εν τω μεταξυ τι σημαινει δλδ το ''φτηνο'' ρολεξ...Ενα submariner απλο χωρις ημερομηνια κανει (αναλογα και την εποχη διοτι αλλαζουν οι τιμες συνεχεια) γυρω στα 3500+ χωρις ημερομηνια (μπλιαχ) και χωρις την πρασινη στεφανη. Δλδ μιλαμε για το απλο μαυρο κλπ το οποιο εγω προσωπικα μαζι με το Daytona το θεωρω all time classic ρολοι και εχω μαλιστα σκοπο και να το παρω εις το προσεχες μελλον
Τωρα αν καποιος αλλος το παιρνει για επιδειξη και για να λεει οτι εχω Ρολεξ ειναι ενα θεμα που δεν με αφορα.

Καλοφορετο και απο μενα στο παιδι που απεκτησε το ρολοι που ηθελε

Ο χρήστης Krusenstern έγραψε:

Εχει να προτείνει κανείς αξιόλογα eshops Ευρώπης;;;

θα ήταν πολύ καλό αυτό παιδιά ώστε και εμείς οι αδαείς στο θέμα τούτο σιγά σιγά να μπαίνουμε σε μια γραμμή.

Να ένα: http://www.blitzwatches.co.uk/

Ευχαριστούμε krus .

Ερωτηση: Παιζει καποιο ρολοι με GPS κτλ,σχετικα εμφανισιμο και αξιόπιστο;

Απ'όσο γνωρίζω η suunto είναι πολύ καλή σε αυτά αλλά έχει λίγο πιο σπορ εμφάνιση.

Δεν με απασχολει να ειναι σπορ,αρκει να μοιαζει με ρολοι, και κυριως να δινει αξιοπιστα το εκαστοτε στιγμα

Βρηκα αυτα:

http://www.sailgb.com/c/gps_watches/1810/

Ο χρήστης SSK έγραψε:
Εχει να προτείνει κανείς αξιόλογα eshops Ευρώπης;;;

Μερικά αξιόπιστα που ξέρω είναι τα εξής:

http://www.watches.co.uk
http://www.timeofswitzerland.com
http://www.eurowatches.com
http://www.theoldwatchshop.com
http://www.dream-watches.co.uk
http://www.vostok-watches.com

Ο χρήστης Krusenstern έγραψε:

@KRUS
Ευχαριστώ για τις πληροφορίες!
Όντως, πανέμορφα ρολόγια τα spring drive της Seiko, αλλά δεν τα έχω δει ποτέ στην Ελλάδα.

... και δύσκολα θα τα δεις. Ο Έλληνας στα 3-4k παίρνει Ρόλεξ.-

καλα δε κανει;

Αν του αρέσουν τα Ρόλεξ, καλά κάνει
Αν το παίρνει γιατί πιστεύει ότι παίρνει ό,τι καλύτερο στα 4k, ΔΕΝ κάνει καλά

Στέλιο, καλοφόρετο το Premier, κούκλα είναι

Ποιο ρολοι ειναι οτι καλυτερο στα 4κ κ για ποιο λογο?
στα 4ΟΟΟ αρχικη τιμη. δηλαδη πες στα 3200 τελικη αλλα κ σε πολλα περισσοτερα λεφτα εγω πιστευω πως τα ρολεξ ειναι οτι καλυτερο υπαρχει. κ οταν λεω οτι καλυτερο εννοω στο θεμα μηχανης οπου θα επρεπε να μας ενδιαφερει σε ενα καθημερινο ρολοι κ οχι σε θεμα εμφανισης οπου ειναι πολυ υποκειμενικο κριτηριο για τον καθενα!

απο τα φτηνοτερα ατσαλινα μοντελα μεχρι τα μισα μισα ή κ ολοχρυσα φορανε ιδιες μηχανες αρα δεν υπαρχει θεμα οτι θα παρω το φθηνο κ δεν θα ειναι καλο κτλ. απλα ειναι θεμα υλικων κασας κ οχι μηχανης.

@nomikosas: Έχεις δίκιο εν μέρει. Τι εννοώ...από πλευράς μηχανισμού είναι πολύ γεροφτιαγμένος και αξιόπιστος, αλλά τίποτα το εξαιρετικό από άποψη ωρολογοποιείας. Για τις δικές μου ανάγκες είναι ιδανικός...γιατί φοράω το ρολόι συνέχεια και θέλω κάτι που να αντέχει σε οτιδήποτε.

Για παράδειγμα ένα JLC έχει πολύ πιο πολύπλοκο μηχανισμό...αλλά και πιο ευαίσθητο. Και μην ξεχνάμε ότι στα Rolex η έκπτωση πάιζει στο 10% για τα ατσάλινα μοντέλα, ενώ στις υπόλοιπες μάρκες φτάνει μέχρι και 50% (όχι στην Ελλάδα πάντα, αλλά τώρα μέσω internet αγοράζεις από όπου θές!).

Ο χρήστης Fanis75 έγραψε:

Εχει να προτείνει κανείς αξιόλογα eshops Ευρώπης;;;

Μερικά αξιόπιστα που ξέρω είναι τα εξής:

http://www.watches.co.uk
http://www.timeofswitzerland.com
http://www.eurowatches.com
http://www.theoldwatchshop.com
http://www.dream-watches.co.uk
http://www.vostok-watches.com

Ευχαριστώ πολύ!

Υπάρχουν eshops για ποιο 'μοδάτα' ρολόγια;
Δηλαδή, Cavalli, Nautica, DKNY, D&G etc

Ο χρήστης Fanis75 έγραψε:
@nomikosas: Έχεις δίκιο εν μέρει. Τι εννοώ...από πλευράς μηχανισμού είναι πολύ γεροφτιαγμένος και αξιόπιστος, αλλά τίποτα το εξαιρετικό από άποψη ωρολογοποιείας. Για τις δικές μου ανάγκες είναι ιδανικός...γιατί φοράω το ρολόι συνέχεια και θέλω κάτι που να αντέχει σε οτιδήποτε.

Για παράδειγμα ένα JLC έχει πολύ πιο πολύπλοκο μηχανισμό...αλλά και πιο ευαίσθητο. Και μην ξεχνάμε ότι στα Rolex η έκπτωση παίζει στο 10% για τα ατσάλινα μοντέλα, ενώ στις υπόλοιπες μάρκες φτάνει μέχρι και 50% (όχι στην Ελλάδα πάντα, αλλά τώρα μέσω internet αγοράζεις από όπου θές!).

το θεμα ρολοι ο καθενας το βλεπει με αλλο ματι..

καταρχην μιλησαμε για αξια 4000 euro αρα δεν μιλαμε για JLC.(στα ρολεξ στα ατσαλινα κανουν 20% πολυ χαλαρα κ στα χρυσα ισως κ παραπανω αν το ψαξεις..)

To οτι ενας μηχανισμος ειναι περιπλοκος δεν λεει κατι ωστε να τον χαρακτηρισουμε μονο κ μονο απο αυτο του το χαρακτηριστικο υψηλη ωρολογοποιία..
παιζουν κ αλλα πολλα ρολο...

ας πουμε σε ενα μηχανισμο rolex τι σε κανει να λες οτι δεν ειναι υψηλη ωρολογοποιια?
πρεπει εδω να πουμε οτι ειναι in house μηχανισμος (κ οχι eta εστω κ τροποποιημενος) κ απο εκει κ περα στα λεφτα του εχει χαρακτηριστικα (που η ρολεξ μονη της με μελετες κτλ ανακαλυψε κ εφαρμοσε, δηλαδη δικες της πατεντες που μετα πηραν κ αλλες εταιριες κ τις μιμηθηκαν γιατι ηταν σωστες και εξελιξαν την ορολογοποιια. Ας πουμε μερικα από τα πιο απλα: βιδωτη κορωνα , αδιαβροχο ρολοι , αυτοματο κουρδισμα ρολογιου κτλ μεχρι κ σημερα είναι η πρωτη που εβγαλε το νέο hairspring που είναι το parachrom blu http://www.timezone.com/library/extras/200708222443 ) που αλλα ρολογια σε αυτα τα λεφτα ουτε με τα κυαλια δεν τα βλεπουν αλλα κ μπορω να πω κ πολλα αλλα ρολογια πολυ πολυ ακριβοτερα.....

όταν λεω για διαφορα χαρακτηρτιστικα στην μηχανη των rolex που αλλα ρολογια δεν εχουν εννοω Breguet hairspring που τωρα εβαλαν το parachrom blu ενώ αλλοι δεν εχουν βαλει ουτε καν breguet, διπλή γέφυρα στο Balance, χρυσό Balance, microstela adjusting screws, ρυθμιζόμενη καθύψος γέφυρα Balance, 31 jewels (!), snap changing date at 12 midnight, power reserve 50h, καλύτερο φινίρισμα, αποδοτικότερος αυτόματος μηχανισμός κουρδίσματος .. κ πολλα αλλα.. εμενα αυτά τα χαρακτηριστικα μου κανουν να μιλαω πραγματι για υψηλη ορολογοποιια αλλα κ όχι μονο αυτά καθ’αυτά τα χαρακτηριστικα αλλα κ ολη η σταση της εταιριας τοσα χρονια ωπου παντα κανει ερευνες κ ανακαλυπτει κατι νέο ώστε να εξελιξει την ορολογοποιια..
η rolex δεν ειναι τυχαια εδω που ειναι.. δεν εξαγοραστηκε κ δεν συγχωνευτηκε απο καμια αλλη κ παραπενει εδω κ χρονια κορυφη στο ειδος της χωρις να πουλησει ονομα κ ιστορια σε κανενα group px swatch group...

H rolex κατασκευαζει το τελειο καθημερινο ρολοι που συνδυάζει τα παντα, που αν το αγορασει καποιος μπορει να το φοραει από την θαλασσα μεχρι την βραδινή του εξοδο χωρις να τον απογοητευσει ποτε και να είναι all time classic.
H rolex φοραει ότι πιο κορυφη υπαρχει στις μηχανες της κ αυτό είναι που την κανει να εχει την ποιοτητα κ την αντοχη που εχει μια μηχανη ρολεξ.
Aπό εκει κ περα δεν μενει μονο στην μηχανη αλλα κ στους τροπους στεγανοτητας oπου κ εκει εχει κανει τις δικες της πατεντες ώστε το ρολοι να είναι στεγανο αλλα κ στα αντικραδασμικα συστηματα που εχει. Το ατσαλι που χρησιμοποιει στην κασα κτλ είναι 904L και πολλα αλλα ….
Τα συμπερασματα δικά σας. Παντως εγω που ασχολουμαι και γενικα διαβαζω διαφορα γυρω από την ωρολογοποιια με αντικειμενικοτητα εχω βγαλει αυτά τα συμπερασματα.. μιλωντας παντα για καθημερινο ρολοι!

The very private Swiss watch giant opens the doors of its new Geneva facility.

Rolex has always had a Garbo-like sense of privacy. With no very good reason to court the media, or even allow them through its doors, it chugs happily along, selling its roughly three-quarters of a million watches a year, which bring in some 2 billion Swiss francs (this is an estimate; the company, needless to say, does not reveal sales figures.) As the world’s luxury watch brand, with a sterling image that never fades, Rolex needs publicity like Greta Garbo needed more fans.
So recently, when Rolex invited us to visit its facilities in Geneva, to actually go inside them and see real Rolex employees making real Rolex watches, we didn’t think twice.
In early April, WatchTime and about 50 U.S. retailers gathered for a daylong tour that would take in the company’s three Geneva factories. They make all the company’s cases, bracelets and dials and assemble its finished watches. (Alas, we will not see Rolex’s only other factory, in Bienne, where it makes its movements. Maybe another time, we were told.)
Rolex’s Geneva facilities are in the final stages of a massive, eight-year-long construction and renovation project. Its aim is to bring together the many manufacturing operations, some 19 in all, that were once spread out, in and around Geneva.
The company has been an institution there for nearly a century, almost as much a part of the city’s identity as the famous jet d’eau at the mouth of the Rhone or the lovely waterfront skyline.
Rolex founder, Hans Wilsdorf moved Rolex to Geneva in 1919 (the company was born in 1905 in London), and it remained at the city center for more than 40 years. In 1965, Rolex completed construction of new headquarters in an industrial section of Geneva called Acacias, southwest of the city center. Now, with just a year or so to go until the last glistening green glass panel is hoisted into position on the refurbished headquarters, Rolex, in an uncharacteristic burst of openness, wants to show off its deluxe new digs.

Life upon the shelves

We start at the spanking new building in Plan-les-Ouates, which was completed last October. This district, on the outskirts of Geneva, has become a luxury-watch stronghold. Patek Phillippe, Vacheron Constantin, Piaget, and Frederique Constant have all built new production facilities there, turning the flat, featureless expanse into a showcase of eye-catching, ultra modern industrial architecture. Rolex’s building is the most imposing of all; it is huge (it covers nearly 26000 square meters of space, roughly the size of five football fields), jetblack, and forbidding.
Inside, we see a short movie presenting facts and figures about the new building. Its 11 stories high, with five of them underground, and composed of three parallel rectangular units, connected by a central corridor. It has 157000 square meters of floor space and houses 1700 machines. Deliveries are made via a 10-meter wide covered road that runs through the building. The roof is covered with gardens and is used as a relaxation area by the 1500 people who work in the facility.
The glass that completely covers the building shields the work within from prying eyes. Those lucky enough to penetrate that armor are in for a treat, the film’s naragator suggests. “The black glass facades conceal a surprising world,” he says.
He’s right, as we discover from the very first stop on the tour. It’s the components storage room (the prosaic name doesn’t do it justice, as we soon find out), on the second underground floor. To get there, we pass through an ultra-secure entryway equipped with a retina-scanning system, meant to foil thieves with designs on the treasure within.
We stand on a walkway, behind a floor to-ceiling pane of glass, and look upward and downward at layer upon layer of storage shelves: four stories’ worth of them holding 30000 separate compartments. (there are an additional 30000 compartments in a second storage room, a precaution in case disaster strikes the first one.) The vast expanse of shelves is itself impressive, but the real spectacle is the computer-directed conveyors that pick up the components from the bins and deliver them to the workstations throughout the building. There are countless of these automated gofers zipping along aluminum rail, stopping, snatching the parts from the compartments, and zipping away again. Four kilometers of these rails snake through the facility; the system extends to the buildings furthest reaches. The average wait for components, once they’ve been ordered from a workstation by means of a few mouse clicks, is eight minutes.
We gaze quiet a while, transfixed by the speeding conveyors whose loud, constant whirring makes it difficult to hear anything below a shout. We laugh like kids in a funhouse when once a while a conveyor comes zooming toward us as if to crash through the glass pane, then stops short at its destination a few feet from our faces.
The Rolex production manager leading the tour tells us the system is working above Rolex’s initial expectations, and is 98% reliable. Then he herds us away, which, given our fascinating dilly-dallying, is like herding cats.

Gold standard

Where do these components – cases, bracelet links, tiny bracelet fixings, clasps, and myriad other bits – come from? To find out, we take the elevator up to the foundry to see, as the movie describes it, “the first step in the creation of a Rolex.” The company mixes it’s own gold, enabling it to both create its own alloys and to control the gold’s quality, like a special blend of a pink and a white gold developed in these labs. The alloy doesn’t lose its pink or white tint, the way other pink or white gold alloys do. Rolex is the biggest gold consumer in Switzerland and the only watch company that does it’s own alloying. (It was unknown to us that the amount of gold watches that leaves the company is much higher that the ones made of stainless steel. Never gave as a chance to find out any figures though.)
We see the end product in a so-called “gold pour,” in which half a gallon of fiery molten gold streams from a crucible into a pan. After it cools, the metal is stamped into cases or casebacks or drawn through a series of dies to form gold wire of the right shape to make the various Rolex bracelets: the Oyster, the President, etc. Because Rolex uses so much gold, it’s able to employ machines normally used for steel or aluminum, which are larger that standard gold processing machines and hence more precise. It’s a good thing: the tolerance for bracelet-component parts is 2/100 of a millimeter (each bracelet has about 200 parts), and that’s why a Rolex bracelet will last 30 to 40 years without needing repair.
Steel parts are made in the same department. Rolex uses an alloy known as 904L (it’s the only company to do so), that it buys from outside supplier. The steel resists corrosion extremely well and is also very tough, so that it’s durable, but also very difficult to machine.
After parts are fabricated, they’re polished. A robot, enclosed in a glass cubicle, handles the initial polishing. We watch it (him? It’s wearing a baby-blue dust cover that cloaks its oddly misshapen body), mesmerized by its jerky but somehow lifelike movements, as it holds a watchcase against a polishing machine. It’s nightmarish and funny at the same time, like the creatures in the bar scene in “Star Wars”.
The robot is a high-maintenance employee: it needs to be recalibrated after every 10 cases it polishes to keep it working with the required precision. But it clearly earns its keep: “With a little help from the robots, you can make a very good product,” the Rolex manager cheerfully points out, glancing at his electronic colleague.
When the robot is finished, the case passed along to humans for fine polishing. Only real hands and eyes can detect tiny imperfections that might remain on the case’s surface.

Robo jock

Our next stop is the laboratory, where scientist, engineers and technicians (there are 20plus PhD’s employed there), work on quality control, research and development and general trouble-shooting, like fixing a glitch on the production line or diagnosing the cause of a difficult-to-open bracelet clasp. “You can see there are people at the center of Rolex, not machines,” the Rolex manager tells. Simple tasks have been reassigned to robots, but people still do the complicated ones.
These jobs include making sure the raw materials are sufficiently pure before they’re made into watch parts. This means examining them with a scanning electron microscope. We’re told a story that illustrates how stringent its standards are for raw materials: When Rolex receives bars of steel from its supplier; the company performs different tests on them, including a polishing test. One recent polishing test produced a small scratch, what the technicians call a “comet,” on the surface of the bar. Examining the steel under the electron microscope, the Rolex technicians found a minuscule particle, 8 microns across (1/10 as wide as a hair) in front of the comet. They analyzed it and found that the particle was composed partly of titanium. They phoned the steel supplier, who told them that the furnace used to alloy the metal had earlier been used to make titanium steel for another customer. The furnace had not been cleaned thoroughly and some traces of titanium remained in it. Hearing this, Rolex rejected the entire load, sending back 10 metric tons of steel.
A few minutes later, in the research and development section of the lab, we learn a new word, that is tribology, the science of wear and tear. We see another robot, this one dedicated to studying the effects of wear on watch bracelets. The robot has a mannequin-like wrist and hand and wears a Rolex watch. It is performing a sequence of fancy moves with its humanoid hand: twisting it, thrusting it down, turning it sideways, lifting it up and repeating the series again and again. The moves, odd as they seem, are modeled on real life. “We put some sensors on a colleague of mine while he was doing different kinds of sports: running, tennis, golf, and everything else,” a research and development manager tells us. “We examined the motions and duplicate them with this robot.” The robot allows Rolex to simulate a year’s worth of wear in just one week, and hence discover in a jiffy the advantages of one bracelet design over another.

Behind the bling

We have good-bye to the robot, which is still frantically gesticulating, and soon pile into a bus headed for the Rolex factory in Chene-Bourg, a few miles to the east. There, human hands, steady, patient ones, prevail. First we see the gem-setting process. In one room, little diamonds are arranged in neat piles, waiting to be placed on bezels, dials and bracelets. Here, their color is checked to make sure it’s the requisite “river” grade. The diamonds, in round, trapeze, or baguette shapes, are painstakingly set by hand with the aid of microscope.
It the dial-making department, we see more handwork: printing the dials and the addition of markers and numerals. Dials are made of brass, gold or platinum. Color is imparted to the dials by a variety of methods: galvanization, physical vapor deposition, or painting. Mother-of-pearl and meteorite dials are made by gluing a thing layer of the decorative material onto a brass substrate.

Putting it together

Another bus ride takes us into Geneva’s city limits to the area called Acacias. We come to our third and final stop, the climax of the tour, in some sense: Rolex worldwide headquarters. This complex, in the final stages of expansion and renovation (it’s scheduled to be finished this year), is where the top Rolex executives, including Patrick Heiniger, have their offices. Rolex-watchers have long regarded the building, covered in glass tinted in imperial Rolex green, as a fortress only a little less impenetrable than the Pentagon.
The facility consists of two side-by-side towers housing offices and administrative departments and, next to them, four industrial buildings. It is in these buildings that Rolex watches are assembled, put through their last quality-control tests, packaged and shipped to markets throughout the world.
Most of the assembly is done by hand at rows of immaculately clean workbenches where employees, most of them women, combine all the pieces made elsewhere (movements from Bienne, cases and bracelets from Plan-les-Ouates, dials from Chene-Bourg) into the final product. We watch the women, agile-fingered and as steady of touch as micro-surgeons, lifting up tiny gold watch hands (all Rolex watches have gold hands) with an air pump, so they won’t get scratched, and positioning them on the dial. At the other workstations, employees are casing the movements and, at still others, placing the winding crowns. One of the final steps is attaching the winding rotor, a task performed with an electric screwdriver programmed to tighten the screws to precisely the right tension.
Throughout it all, the women constantly check and re-check their work. Does the date jump at midnight, as it should? Are the hands precisely superimposed? Is the dial flawless? Does the rotor sound as it should when it turns, or might one screw be a tad too loose? If everything passes muster, the serial numbers of the case and movement, which are engraved by laser, are registered, and the case is closed up.
The watch is still not ready to meet the world. First it must pass a few more tests. Now machines take over. First there’s a water-resistance test using air pressure (the riskier water-resistance test, using water, comes later). Then the watch will be wound automatically, by means of its rotor, to make sure the winding mechanism produces enough energy to keep the movement running. The precision tests come next. They’re similar to those performed by COSC. (The movement have already been certified by that agency, and tested in Bienne; the purpose of these tests is to make sure the movement still measure up after casing). The dial is photographed once, then again, 24 hours later, and the timing compared to that of a reference clock regulated by an atomic clock. Then the watch’s precision is measured in each of five different positions. Lastly, the watch is placed in a water tank and tested at a pressure level 10% above what is guaranteed for that particular model. The bracelets are attached, and the watches’ guarantees are placed with their respective watches. The watches are boxed for shipping, and off they go.
And so do we. After a dinner atop one of the towers, hosted by Patrick Heiniger, we leave the headquarters, a bounce in our step. Why? Because we’ve done it, we’ve gotten inside Rolex.

Rolex in Geneva:
A Timeline

1919: Rolex founder Hans Wilsdorf relocates the company from London to Geneva, at a site in the city center near the Cathedrale Saint-Pierre.

1960: Needing more space, Rolex decides to build a new headquarters in the Acacias industrial area in Geneva, to the southwest of the city center.

1965: Rolex inaugurates the Acacias headquarters, which consists of two eight-story towers.

1978 to 1995: Two additional buildings are added at the Acacias site.

1998: Construction begins on the Chene-Bourg site, where Rolex does its gem setting and dial making. With its glistening black-glass façade, the building will serve as a model for Rolex’s other Geneva factories.

2000: The Chene-Bourg facility is completed.

2001: Construction begins on Rolex’s bracelet and case manufacturing plant in Plan-les-Ouates.

2002: The company begins the refurbishing of the Acacias headquarters, which includes heightening the two towers by three stories, covering them with green glass facades, and building two additional manufacturing buildings.

2005: The Plan-les-Ouates facility is completed.

Fall 2006: The Acacias refurbishing is completed.

Text: Norma Buchanan, WatchTime, August 2006

http://www.horomundi.com/forum/showthread.php?t=116

@nomikosas: Πολύ σωστά τα λές...δεν αντιλέγω, και εγώ fan της Rolex είμαι (Explorer & ExplorerII και αναμένω το νέο Milgauss) ακριβώς για τους λόγους που περιγράφεις! Παλαιότερα χρησιμοποιούσε το Zenith El Primero για το Daytona, αλλά πλέον και σε αυτό έχει μηχανισμό In-House και μάλλον καλύτερο από της Zenith.

Φυσικά και ήταν πρωτοπόρα σε πολλά θέματα ρολογιών χειρός...όσο για την εξαγορά, η δομή της εταιρίας δεν της επιτρέπει να εξαγοραστεί από καμμία άλλη, αλλά ουτε και να πουληθεί. Επίσης, δεν έχει ανάγκη αφού πουλάει όσα Ρολοόγια κατασκευάζει, δλδ. πάνω από 1.000.000 ετησίως!

Για την έκπτωση σε ατσάλινο στην Ελλάδα με ενδιαφέρει, γιατί εγώ μέχρι 10% έχω βρεί....15% στην Επαρχία, αλλά μόνο σε μοντέλα που έχουν στο κατάστημα. Στη Σιγκαπούρη που ζούσα, εκεί παίζανε, αλλά σε grey dealers έβρισκα και παραπάνω. JLC & VC τα ατσάλινα τα έβρισκα με 50% έκπτωση!

Αφού είσα fan της Rolex, έλα και σε αυτό το φόρουμ: http://www.newturfers.com (γράφω ως Theo).

Το δικό μου το είχα πάρει με έκπτωση 17% και κάτι, από την Αθήνα. Για μετρητά, οι τιμές είναι ιδιαίτερα ελαστικές.

Frank Muller ....ΑΠΙΣΤΕΥΤΟΣ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ο χρήστης sv2 έγραψε:

Frank Muller ....ΑΠΙΣΤΕΥΤΟΣ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Εγώ τα βρίσκω ιδιαίτερα κακόγουστα τα ρολόγια του.Δεν μου αρέσουν καθόλου....

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