Ο χρήστης mikeerfol έγραψε:

Ρισκάρουν αλλά μπορεί να τους βγει σε καλό, γνωρίζοντας ήδη σε ένα βαθμό τους V6.

Όχι απλά σε ένα βαθμό, δες τι κάνουν σε BTCC,WTCC, Indy κλπ κλπ

Aλλά με την αεροδυναμική της F1 είναι διαφορετική υπόθεση

Ο χρήστης elteo έγραψε:
Οπότε μία 3ετία χαλαρά τον πούλο η Μάκα έως ότου να αποδώσει η συνεργασία.

Το κρίσιμο είναι σε τι φάση είναι η πορεία σχεδιασμού και εξέλιξης (φαντάζομαι πολύ πιο μπροστά από τις επίσημες ανακοινώσεις), τα υπόλοιπα συνεταιριστικά τους θα τα βρούνε σε μια νύχτα. Μονοθέσιο θα φτιάξουν, δε θα σπείρουν χωράφι να περιμένουν αν και πότε..

Ο χρήστης JarnoT έγραψε:

Οπότε μία 3ετία χαλαρά τον πούλο η Μάκα έως ότου να αποδώσει η συνεργασία.

Το κρίσιμο είναι σε τι φάση είναι η πορεία σχεδιασμού και εξέλιξης (φαντάζομαι πολύ πιο μπροστά από τις επίσημες ανακοινώσεις), τα υπόλοιπα συνεταιριστικά τους θα τα βρούνε σε μια νύχτα. Μονοθέσιο θα φτιάξουν, δε θα σπείρουν χωράφι να περιμένουν αν και πότε..

1 xρονιά που θα λείπουν το 14
1 χρονιά η πρώτη που θα ψάχνονται όταν οι άλλοι θα έχουν ήδη feedback σε realtime από το 14
άλλη 1 για να γίνουν ανταγωνιστικοί μιας και η αποχή είναι αποχή .-

δεν θα σπείρουν χωράφι αλλά δεν γίνεσαι με μια συνεργασία στα χαρτιά, πρωταθλητής εν μία νυκτί βλέπε εξέλιξη Redbull.

ο teammate του Button το 2015;

Taki Inoue @takiinoue
Since Honda announced F1 return, I've started my physical training. Just preparation for 2015. I have a plenty of time, so drinking is ok.

Πολύ ευχάριστο νέο η επιστροφή της Honda αν και με τους V10 και V8 έκανε μια τρύπα στο νερό. Όπως και να έχει όμως, όλοι συμπαθούν τους συγκεκριμένους Ιάπωνες.

Ο χρήστης mikeerfol έγραψε:
Taki Inoue @takiinoue
Since Honda announced F1 return, I've started my physical training. Just preparation for 2015. I have a plenty of time, so drinking is ok.

Φαίνεται από αυτά που λέει ότι είναι πιωμένος!

Aνήκομεν εις τους ΑΠΥΣΧ

(Αυτόνομοι Πυρήνες Υποστήριξης Σοιχίρο Χόντα)

Ο χρήστης elteo έγραψε:
1 xρονιά που θα λείπουν το 14
1 χρονιά η πρώτη που θα ψάχνονται όταν οι άλλοι θα έχουν ήδη feedback σε realtime από το 14
άλλη 1 για να γίνουν ανταγωνιστικοί μιας και η αποχή είναι αποχή .-

+1

Ειναι κριμα που δεν συμμετείχαν πιο νωρις στις συναντησεις, ωστε να κατεβουν το 2014 με πχ τη Ζαουμπερ, και το 2015 να ειναι κομπλε.

Καθε προσθηκη μεγαλου κατασκευαστη, ειναι κερδος για τη Φ1.
Ειδικα στους κινητηρες, οι 3 ειναι πολυ λιγοι.

Η Sauber πως σας κόλλησε; Κατά 99% θα συνεχίσει με Ferrari!

Ο χρήστης REALZEUS έγραψε:
Η Sauber πως σας κόλλησε; Κατά 99% θα συνεχίσει με Ferrari!

Ακούγεται πως είναι στην κορυφή της λίστας των ομάδων που θα πληρώνουν για τον κινητήρα της Honda το 2015.

http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2013/05/h ... -supplier/

Honda will need to supply a second team on their return to the sport and the word in the paddock at the Spanish Grand Prix was that Sauber is top of the list. But as Honda’s engines are likely to be subsidised – or at least highly affordable – while other rival engine supplies, particularly Renault, are expensive, there is likely to be a scramble among teams to get the second supply.

Ο χρήστης mikeerfol έγραψε:

Ισχύει ότι το 2015 δε θα μπορούν να εξελίξουν τους κινητήρες τόσο όσο το 2014;

Το ξαναβάζω γιατί μπορεί κάποιοι να μην το είδαν.

Ναι, έτσι διάβασα. Η κύρια εξέλιξη θα γίνει το 14 και το 15 θα είναι πιο στάνταρ τα πράγματα.
Πάντως για την Ζάουμπερ τα λεφτά μου πάνε στο ότι θα παραμείνει με Φερράρι.

Ο χρήστης REALZEUS έγραψε:

Πάντως για την Ζάουμπερ τα λεφτά μου πάνε στο ότι θα παραμείνει με Φερράρι.

Σίγουρα γίνονται πολλά τέτοια από ομάδες καθώς θέλουν οι κατασκευαστές να ρίξουν το κόστος των κινητήρων. Πιο πιθανό για κάτι τέτοιο έχω τη Lotus όμως, που έχει ακουστεί και αυτή για Honda το 2015..

Ναι, έτσι διάβασα. Η κύρια εξέλιξη θα γίνει το 14 και το 15 θα είναι πιο στάνταρ τα πράγματα.

Αυτό δε θα είναι μειονέκτημα για τη Honda?

Δε θα χει και κλειστά τα μάτια της το '14 η Honda. Και τις εξελίξεις θα παρακολουθεί και το evolution των ανταγωνιστών. Κάποτε που η εξέλιξη γινόταν αναγκαστικά μέσω των αγώνων, ναι, το να γράφεις αγωνιστικά χιλιόμετρα ήταν μονόδρομος και προβάδισμα. Νομίζω μπορούν να τα καταφέρουν και με το handicap της καθυστερημένης εισόδου.
Έμμετρη η σύγκριση, αλλά δείτε πχ τη VW στο WRC. Θερίζει με το καλημέρα. Ενδεικτικά μόνο το αναφέρω.

Ferrari join Lotus in criticising tyre rules change

Ferrari have added their voice to the criticism of the forthcoming change in tyre compounds at the Canadian Grand Prix.

Pirelli are making alterations to this year’s tyres following the high number of pit stops seen during last weekend’s Spanish Grand Prix.

Ferrari used its anonymous “Horse Whisperer” column on its official website to put forward its objections to the planned change:

“These are difficult times for people with poor memories. Maybe it’s because of the huge amount of information available today that people are too quick to talk, forgetting things that happened pretty much in the recent past. Or maybe the brain cells that control memory only operate selectively, depending on the results achieved on track by their owners.

“A classic example of this is the current saga regarding the number of pit stops. Voices have been raised to underline the fact that various teams, some of whom got to the podium and others who were quite a way off, made four pit stops in the recent Spanish Grand Prix, making the race hard to follow.

“It’s a shame that these worthy souls kept quiet two years ago when, at the very same Catalunya Circuit and on the Istanbul track, five of the six drivers who got to those two podiums made exactly the same number of pit stops as did Alonso and Massa last Sunday in the Spanish Grand Prix.

“In fact, there’s nothing new about winning a race making so many pit stops, even discounting those where it was down to changeable weather. One only has to look back to 2004, when Michael Schumacher won the French Grand Prix thanks to what was a three stop strategy, later changed to a four stopper. That was the key which allowed the multiple champion’s F2004 to get ahead of the then Renault driver, Fernando Alonso, who made three stops. And on that day and we remember it well, our strategy and the tyre supplier were showered with praise for allowing us to get the most out of the car.

“Today however, it seems one must almost feel ashamed for choosing a strategy that, as always for that matter, is aimed at getting the most out of the package one has available. On top of that, if this choice emerges right from the Friday, because all the simulations are unanimous in selecting it, then why on earth should one feel embarrassed when compared to those who have gone for a different choice, only to regret it during the race itself.”

Lotus team principal Eric Boullier also criticised the tyre compounds change yesterday.

Τους την είπαν

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/107462

Formula 1's race to secure engine deals hots up

Formula 1 could be set for a dramatic shake-up as the race to secure engine deals for the future hots up.

Honda's return to Formula 1, Mercedes' push to find another customer, plus Renault's desire to supply fewer teams, has opened the way for plenty of changes over the next few years.

There is now even the prospect of a renewal of some iconic F1 partnerships from the past, with both Lotus and Williams leading contenders to land Honda deals.

HONDA SEEKING MORE

It has been known for several months that Honda would be linking up with McLaren in 2015, with this week's confirmation coming just a few days after the Woking-based outfit allowed an option it had with Mercedes for that season to lapse.

But while a deal with McLaren has been Honda's main target for some time, it has already been evaluating other teams it could link up with on its F1 return either for its first or second seasons back.

Such is the effort that will be needed to get ready for 2015 that it may elect to focus solely on McLaren for that season, but by 2016 it will definitely be ready to expand its programme.

AUTOSPORT has learned that enquiries about customer partnerships have been made to at least one top team, with Lotus and Williams believed to be its favoured choices.

Options elsewhere at Sauber and Marussia appear unlikely, with both outfits believed to be closing in on deals for Ferrari customer units.

While the prospect for Williams or Lotus of joining the Japanese manufacturer on its new F1 push is attractive, securing a customer supply deal from 2015 or 2016 would mean that they would need short term engine deals for the next one or two years.

F1's current manufacturers previously made it clear that they would prefer longer term contracts - for at least five years - which will make it far from easy to get agreement on something much shorter.

However, AUTOSPORT can reveal that Lotus and Williams supplier Renault's stance on its plans has now changed, with the company now determined to trim its partners.

RENAULT WANTING LESS

Before Honda's F1 return became a reality, there was the possibility that Renault could supply up to six teams on the grid, with Ferrari and Mercedes both eager to limit their supply to just three.

The arrival of a fourth manufacturer, however, and a change of approach from new management, means the French manufacturer wants to reduce its involvement long term to just three teams.

It currently has no formal contracts in place for next year, but is in negotiations with Red Bull, Lotus, Williams, Caterham and Toro Rosso.

Renault Sport's F1 president Jean-Michel Jalinier told AUTOSPORT: 'It is known in the paddock that we are negotiating with five teams, but I am not sure we are going to go through with five teams.

'With three teams we would be happy, and we can run the business nicely.

'But there will only be three suppliers in 2014, so it is not possible that all of us have just three teams. So probably we will have to go with more.

'My guess is it will be between three and five. Not less than three, because that doesn't make sense, but five, I don't know...'

While long-term deals with Red Bull, Toro Rosso and Caterham appear to be a formality, Renault's longer-term ambitions could well result in it being more amenable to short-term contracts with either Williams or Lotus if they are keen on pursuing the Honda route.

MERCEDES ANOTHER OPTION

But the engine choice for those two teams is not just restricted to a Renault or Honda future, for Mercedes is also an option as the German car manufacturer now pushes to find an extra partner.

High-level sources at Mercedes have confirmed to AUTOSPORT that it wants to supply a fourth team next year beyond its works outfit, McLaren and Force India.

Its key targets are also Williams and Lotus, although it would prefer a longer-term deal for up to five-years.

While such a deal would then rule either outfit of an early switch to Honda, one of the key benefits over sticking with Renault would be financial, as the Mercedes package cost is believed to be below the €20-23 million figure per year that the French manufacturer is currently proposing.

There appears then to be three options for Williams and Lotus: commit long term to Renault; commit long term to Mercedes; or go the Honda route and agree a short-term contract extension with their current partners.

Jalinier believes the picture should become much clearer in the next couple of weeks.

'We expect that by Monaco, with another two weeks work, we can have something ready - or at least have a better view of what will be the situation,' he said.

Ο χρήστης JarnoT έγραψε:
Δε θα χει και κλειστά τα μάτια της το '14 η Honda. Και τις εξελίξεις θα παρακολουθεί και το evolution των ανταγωνιστών. Κάποτε που η εξέλιξη γινόταν αναγκαστικά μέσω των αγώνων, ναι, το να γράφεις αγωνιστικά χιλιόμετρα ήταν μονόδρομος και προβάδισμα. Νομίζω μπορούν να τα καταφέρουν και με το handicap της καθυστερημένης εισόδου.
Έμμετρη η σύγκριση, αλλά δείτε πχ τη VW στο WRC. Θερίζει με το καλημέρα. Ενδεικτικά μόνο το αναφέρω.

Όπως και η BMW στο DTM

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/107487

**FIA declares Formula 1 tyre tweaks can only be for safety
**

Pirelli's planned mid-season Formula 1 tyre tweaks are set to be much smaller than originally anticipated after the FIA ruled that changes will only be allowed on safety grounds.

Sources have revealed that the governing body has told Pirelli that it is happy to accept - and is indeed keen for - alterations necessary to prevent a repeat of the rear tyre delaminations that have struck at the last few events.

But, in a blow to outfits like Red Bull hoping further tweaks would help them overcome tyre difficulties they have faced, the FIA has made it clear it will not tolerate further changes aimed at reducing the number of pitstops or decreasing degradation.

Sorting out the issue must also not lead to a change of specification back to the 2012 tyres, as some had suggested could happen.

Instead, Pirelli has been instructed to solve the matter by modifying the current specification of tyres. It is now close to finalising tweaks in this direction.

The FIA is basing its stance on Article 12.6.3 of the technical regulations, which has also been cited by teams to Pirelli amid questions about the legality of a bid to change the specification.

The rule states: 'Tyre specifications will be determined by the FIA no later than 1 September of the previous season. Once determined in this way, the specification of the tyres will not be changed during the championship season without the agreement of all competing teams.'

Although another clause in the regulations says that changes can be introduced if the tyres are deemed by the tyre supplier and technical delegate as 'technically unsuitable', the FIA does not believe that the current high degrading nature of the tyres that sometimes requires four stop races falls under that banner.

An FIA source told AUTOSPORT: 'Discussions between the FIA and Pirelli are ongoing regarding the tyre failures and making changes to prevent them happening again. These talks do not involve the subject of degradation or the number of pitstops.'

CHANGES NOW SET TO BE MINOR

Pirelli has not yet settled on what changes it is making to the tyres, but its motorsport director Paul Hembery suggested on Friday that revisions were likely to be small.

'Let's wait and see exactly what changes we will be making, but we are doing everything we can to minimise what will be different,' he told AUTOSPORT.

The stance from the FIA, allied to Hembery's suggestion, looks likely to be good news for outfits like Lotus, Ferrari and Force India that had been concerned a wholesale change of tyres could hurt the advantage they currently have.

Lotus boss Eric Boullier aired his frustration earlier this week at Pirelli planning mid-season changes, but expressed his hope that any tweaks would be minor.

'That there are changes to come can be seen as somewhat frustrating, and I hope they are not too extreme,' he said. 'It's clear that Pirelli have found themselves in a difficult situation and under pressure from different quarters.'

Κάποιος δε θα είναι και τόσο χαρούμενος

Σωστή η FIA! Στην τελική αυτή αποφασίζει...

Ερώτηση: Πέρυσι δεν είχαν αλλαχτεί τα λάστιχα midseason; Η σκληρή γόμα είχε αλλάξει νομίζω, ή θυμάμαι λάθος;

Και πέρσι και πρόπερσι αλλά μικροαλλαγές. Φέτος θέλουν να αλλάξουν και γόμα και σκελετό.