Re paidia egw opote brhka omixli anapsa ta kolofwta alla den eida sxedon kamia diafora ??
Giati kapios na dwsei 100euro gia nabalei fwta omixlis ???
Eseis blepete diafora STIN OMIXLI ???
Ti akribws kanoun ta fwta omixlis parapanw apo ta kanonika fwta ? pantws den einai pio isxyra apo tin megali skala
Egw toy eriksa 2 test drive prin to parageilw...
Ontws to timoni einai poly kalo kai oi epitaxynseis (toy 1.6) einai episis para poly kales (0-100 se 10.6 kai 118.6 aloga symfwna me tous 4T)
Mou arese kai i 8esi odigisis parolou poy oi pio sportif typoi tin lene psili...
Egw malista tin ry8misa akoma pio psila apo to default tis ! (eimai psilokontoulis omws...)
Mou arese to oti den eixe megali klisi stis strofes kai oti estribe kala (phra strofi (kampi) me 120 poy me tin toyota corolla toy mpampa (toy 96) tin eperna me 100 kai fobomouna min akoumpisi to ekswteriko ftero ton dromo...). Den dokimasa ypostrofes, yperstrofes kai tetoia giati den exw tin empiria na to kanw me ena amaksi poy odigaw molis misi wra...
Opote den kserw tin symperifora sto orio...
Kali piotita mou fanike... kala service (ka8e 30.000km servise kai allagi ladiwn)
XALIA o levges taxytitwn : Den sou dinei tin ais8isi oti koumpwnei...
Apla ton pas pros ta panw i katw kai afineis symplekti !
Kai o symplektis exei ligo megali diadromi...
Alla pistevw afto sini8izetai. Pantws eperne kala tis taxitites...
Poly kaloi xwroi... Kyriws oi pisw ka8ontai kapws yperypswmena kai blepoyn kala... Para poles 8ikes... Oi mprosta exoun apistefto xwro (o ksadelfos mou poy einai 1.95 ka8otan poly aneta xwris na kanei tin 8esi pio pisw ap'oti itane (synodigos).) Kai to oti to pampriz arxizei apo poly mprosta sou dinei tin ais8isi oti to aftokinito einai pio makry ap'oti einai...
Poly fwteino eswteriko logw toy pampriz
Metrio ixosistima...
Kali i o8oni me tis polaples endikseis...
Poly kali ixomonosi (toulaxiston se sxesi me tin corolla mas)
EKPLIKTIKA FRENA...
ta patisa terma se kapia fasi kai pragmatika imoun xaroumenos poy forousa zwni...
Afta mporw na skeftw oti mou ekanan entypwsi...
To A/C to dokimsa alla den exw na bgalw kanena symperasma
Omws to odigisa molis 30 lepta...
Opote mporei na kanw kai la8os kapoy....
Perimenw to diko mou !
Ο χρήστης syele έγραψε:
Δεν είναι απαραίτητο αυτό. Μπορείς να το ξαναφέρεις αν ξεκλειδώσεις το τιμόνι (δηλαδή, αν έχεις τη ψυχραιμία να το κάνεις!)
Mporeis na mou to diefkriniseis afto ?
Pragmatika epeidi exw problimata ypostrofis 8a i8ela an ginetai na mou peis tropoys na tin elenkseis wste na min bre8eis stis ... mpares
Ws twra to antimetopiza me afima tou gazioy, elafry frenarisma...
I otan tin prokalousa epitides to antimetopiza me tsimpima toy xeirofrenoy
(afto merikes fores einai epikindino min to dokimasete ektos kai an eiste se kanean terastio parking )
Basika den kserw ti stribei pio grhgora (ypo8etw sxedon to idio) kserw ti 8a epitaxynei grigorotera stin eksodo tis strofis kai meta.
Otan patame to gazi tote oi pisw troxoi apoktoun perisotero fortio.
Kati analogo ginetai kai otan kanoun souza ta mixanakia logw poly gazioy.
Opote einai fysiologiko ena piswkinito aftokinito na mporei na perasei perisoterous ipous stin asfalto stin epitaxunsi.
Ena pisokinito 8a spinarei pio arga ap'oti ena empros8okinito STIN EY8EIA...
Twra ti ginetai stin strofi afto einai alli ypo8esi...
Pantws prwta 8a epitaxynei stin eksodo to pisokinito...
Egw meta apo prosektiki epilogi to parageila kai to perimenw na er8ei se 20 meres!
Phra to 307 1.6XS se mple recife me aerotomi kai synagiarmo ekstra.
Toy exw kanei 2 test drive kai mou arese.
Esy to exeis odigisei ?
I diki mou gnwmi einai parto...
Na pros8esw ta :
http://automoto.flash.gr/testdrive/mode ... sp?coid=24
http://www.auto-internet.gr/tests/I-P/test_Peug_307.htm
http://library.techlink.gr/4t/article.a ... ticle=7543
http://library.techlink.gr/4t/article.a ... ticle=7547
Pou eidate fotografies re pedia ???
Parepiptontws me ta xe xe kai xa xa toy gavriil1
moy ly8ike mia aporia !!!
Pws eftase ta 859 posts !!!!
Paidia sorry pou 8a balw se URL ar8ro pou den anoikei sto agapimeno mas periodiko alla ** deite kai afto... **
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afora sygritiko tis corolla me
stillo
focus
civic
307
Deite kai tis treis selides...
Egw pantws epeimenw...
H corolla einai poly gamati...
Einai omws akribi...
An kapios exei xrhma as ta dwsei...
Ο χρήστης logikos έγραψε:
Το 307 θα το αγόραζα, αν δεν μπορούσα να δώσω παραπάνω χρήματα για κάτι καλύτερο (έχουν παρουσιαστεί μικροπροβλήματα στα 307).
Mia paratirisi panw se afto.
Epeidi kai egw eixa akousei gia afta ta problimata toy 307 phga kai to sizitisa toso me enan filo mou mixaniko oso kai me tous an8rwpous tis peugeot (pou den perimena na einai bebaia kai poly eilikrineis).
Afto poy mou eipan oloi einai oti einai fysiologiko ena neo montelo na exei problhmata neotitas.
Etsi otan protwhr8e stin ellada toy 307 (ton Avgousto toy 2001) ontws yphrxan arketa problhmata (rouleman stis rodes ellatwmatika, o levies tou flash den kleidwne, trigmous apo pisw anartisi, problimatiki miza ktl ktl..)
Otan omws i peugeot diapistwse afta ta problhmata frontise na ta lysei stis epomenes fournies. Dhladi to 307 poy paragetai shmera (Septembrios 2002) exei poly ligotera problhmata.
Fysika mia kai einai Galliko 8a 8elei ligo synergio parapanw gia mikroproblhmatakia...
KAI GIA OSOUS PROTEINOUN TIN COROLLA
Exw toyota corolla 7 xronia twra kai den tin exw paei synergio oute mia fora pera apo ta programmatismena service...
Triksimata se tetoia ilikia exei ti na kanoume...
Kalo aftokinito alla :
EXETE KATALABEI TO OTI I NEA TOYOTA EINAI PANAKRIBI
Re paidia 20.000 euro diladi 6.800.000draxmes einai YPERBOLIKO poso gia na dwsei kapiois gia ena Iapwniko 1.6 pou den exei kai kati to idietero.
Den lew, omorfo einai, piotiko einai, kalo kinitira exei alla den exei proswpikotita oute kati poy na to kanei TOSO perizitito gia na dikaiologei ta 20.000euro....
Ο χρήστης meco έγραψε:
Poiothta to Astra??? De nomizw. Exeis mpei se Astra? Egw pou exw mpei kai exw odhghsei kai arketa (1400aria) se diabebaiw oti den apoteloun kai ton orismo ths poiothtas. Eidika se sygkrish me to Golf.
Exw odigisei mono ena olokainourgio astra tou 8eiou mou pou fainotan arketa piotiko.
Stin oikogenia exoume Toyota 7etias, Eixame Golf gia 2 xronia kai twra perimenoume to 307.
Na ypen8imisw kati gia na min pareksigi8w i gia na min me nomizei kaneis oti 'to paizw' oti ta kserw ola.
Afta poy egrapsa einai proswpikes gnwmes anoixtes se kritiki.
Den lew oti ola afta einai apolyta...
Ilias.
Den mporw na sou dwsw mia safi symbouli giati ta aftokinita poy exeis balei gia psifoforia einai i mera me tin nyxta se polloys paragontes:
Prwta apofasise posa lefta dineis kai to ti xaraktira 8es na exei to aftokinto
(sportif, piotita, anesi ,aksiopistia ?)
To A3 kai i 147 einai se alli katigoria se sxesi me ola ta alla apo apopsi timis... aporw pws den ebales kai tin A-class....
As ta paroume omws ena ena :
Peugeot 307 1.6 XS (XSi)
To kalytero apo ola (me timi katw twn 6.000.000)giati einai
Alpha 147.
8a elega oti einai se alli katigoria se sxesi me ta alla montela poy exeis.
Einai sigoura poly kalo aftokinito kai poly sportif.
An 8eleis kati me proswpikotita kai sportif xaraktira parto.
OMWS einai arketa akribotero apo alla montela kai einai
Italiko poy shmainei oti ISWS antimetopiseis kapia problimatakia
stin aksiopistia tou...
Apo piotita kataskevis i GNWMI MOU einai oti einai metrio.
Golf:
Diafonw gia polloys logous. Katarxin to montelo einai palio kai 8a antikatasta8i tou xronoy me apotelesma kai i metapwlitiki tou aksia na pesei kai na deixnei palio se ena molis xrono !. Epipleon einai poly akribo gia afta poy prosferei. Bebaia 8a meineis efxaristimenos apo poiotita kai aksiopistia (akousa omws kai kapia parapona apo aftoys poy exoun Golf se afto to forum). Stin erwtisi Golf i aftokinito egw 8a apantousa 'efxaristw poly 8a parw aftokinito' opws eipe kai kapios allos se allo thread.
Focus 1.6: Poly kalo aftokinito me para poly kali anartisi.
To basiko 'kako' toy einai oi epidoseis toy logw twn makriwn sxesewn tou kinitira. Proswpika emena den mou aresei to eswteriko tou (toulaxiston oxi oso toy 307). An kai exei kapia xronakia pistevw oti einai akoma arketa sygxrono.
Opel Astra 1.6:
Poly piotiko, poly. Germaniko. Kata tin gnwmi mou an 8es piotita to
Opel Astra einai kalyteri epilogi apo to Golf. Apla to 8ewrw ligo pio
syntiritiko apo ta alla (kyriws sto eswteriko opoy xanesai pisw apo to psilo tamplo). Epipleon kai afto exei ta xronakia tou kai 8a antikatasta8ei mesa ston epomeno xrono.
Fiat Stilo : Den to proteinw giati enw einai poly sygxrono aftokinito oi epidoseis tou einai metries logw barous kai logw tou metriou kinitira. Epipleon einai Fiat ...
Oi Italoi stin prospa8ia na bgaloun ena montelo antagwnistiko prospa8isan na mimi8oun tous germanous me apotelesma na bgei to Stilo...
Sta poly 8etika tou einai i teleia iliorofi...
Oloi pantws oi filoi mou moy legan 'makria apo ta fiat' giati eixan arketa parapona.
Honda Civic 1.6: Poly kalo aftokinito se tsimpimeni timi. Den to epsaksa opote den mporw na sou pw kai polla. Ta periodika pantws lene kala logia.
Exei poly kali odiki symperifora...
Toyota corolla 1.6: Apo ta kalytera aftokinita episis. Monadiko melano toy shmeio einai i metria odigiki symperifora kai i YPERBOLIKI tou timi. Egw den 8a edeina 20.000 euro gia 1.6 corolla.
Audi A3: An exeis ta lefta parto... Emena proswpika den mou aresei i sxediasi alla einai POLY KALYTERO apo to Golf kai poly pio piotiko. Omws exei kai 7.000.000... Nomizw omws (dior8wste me an kanw la8os) oti kai afto einai sxetika palio...
Pantws kataferan na ftiaksoun ena aftokinito poy syndiazei anesi/piotita/odiki symperifora...
8a sou proteina na koitakseis kai tin Xsara poy exei poly kali timi kai kali odigiki symperifora/epidoseis...
Des kai to Leon...
OMWS (KAI PROSEKSE AFTA POY LEW)
Katalabe prwta ti zitas...
ANALOGA ME TIS ANAGES SOU 8A DIALEKSEIS AFTOKINITO.
H erwtisi 'PIO EINAI KALYTERO APO AFTA' einai poly geniki kai den mporei na apanti8ei apla...
Merikes genikes symboules einai
EXEIS XRHMA ?
8ES SPORTIF -> PARE ALPHA ROMEO I A3.
8ES PIOTITA -> PARE A3 I OPEL ASTRA (ANTE KAI GOLF)
DEN EXEIS POLY XRHMA ?
8ES XWROUS/EMFANISI/ANESI/EPIDOSEIS ALLA DEN SE ENDIAFEREI I SPOR SYMPERIFORA --> PARE 307
8ES SPOR SYMPERIFORA PARE LEON/CIVIC/FOCUS (EINAI LIGO AKRIBO TO DEFTERO)
Kai pali omws i epilogi einai diki sou giati se ola afta mpainei kapaki kai to ais8itiko komati... Pio aftokinito se 'trabaei' kati poy einai ka8ara ypokeimeniko...
Mia alli epilogi einai to
Ibiza sport 101ps ?
exei 14350euro i 15.000 me metaliko kai eksoda pinakidwn...
skepsou to...
206 ok... einai palio omws...
To fiesta fainetai kalo giati oxi...
To clio den mou aresei ekswterika alla grafoun kala logia gia afto ta periodika...
Ola ta mikra aftokinita me 1.6 kinitira poy 8eleis 8a bgoune telika
me metaliko xrwma eksoda pinakidwn ktl gyrw sta 15.000 euro...
Kai egw eixa tetoia dilimata kai apofasisa oti tosa lefta(5.100.000draxmes) den aksizei na do8oun se mikro aftokinito
I gnwmi moy einai oti gia ena mikro aftokinito prepei kapios na dwsei
ews kai 4 ante to poly poly 4.5 ekatomyria draxmes.
kalytera na pas stin mikromesaia katigoria an krinw kai apo tin ilikia sou (prepei na eisai toulaxiston 18+9 = 27 xronwn).
Etsi 8a einai ikanopihmeni kai i oikogenia sou (twrini i mellontiki)...
Opote 8a sou proteina Focus, Leon, 307 poy 8a sou bgoun peripoy 5.500.000 drxmes (se 1600 panta) kai as exoun ligo ligotero eksoplismo...
Fysika to aftokinito antikatoprizei tis proswpikes anages tou ka8enos kai edw 8a akouseis 100 diaforetikes gnwmes. To aftokinito prepei na to pareis SYMFWNA ME TIS DIKIES SOU ANAGES 'filtrarwntas' afta poy grafontai edw.
Elpizw na boi8isa kai oxi na mperdepsa...
Genika i epilogi aftokinitou einai dyskoli ypo8esi alla molis sou er8ei to kainourgio to agapas toso poly poy ksexnas to oti den phres kapio allo...
Ilias
Ο χρήστης kouk έγραψε:
Θα σου πρότεινα να δοκιμάσεις την Αμοργό,τους Παξούς,την Μήλο,την Πάτμο,την Ελαφόνησο,την Σίφνο ή την Σαμοθράκη.
Θα δεις ποιά ειναι η Αλλη Ελλάδα
Dokimase aftes tis perioxes an sou aresei i fisi, i paradosi, an 8eleis na iremiseis ligo, an 8es na deis pws einai ontws i ellada.
An sou aresei to ntavantouri, to club, ta kosmopolitika meri, ta meri gemata neoys kai kosmo dokimase nisia opws mykonos, paros, santorini, rodos, kerkyra me afti tin seira
Oson afora toys dromoys....
To odiko dyktio antikatoptrizei ws ena shmeio kai tin oikonomia mias xwras.
Den mporoyme na apaitoyme mia xwra opws i ellada poy twra teleftaia arxise na anaptysetai kai poy perase to 50% twn proigoumenwn dio aiwnwn se pollemoys na dwsei proteraiotita stoys dromous gia na anaptyx8ei. Den mporoyme na sygrinoume tin ellada me tin Ameriki, einai h mera me tin nyxta oson afora tin oikonomia kai tin organwsi.
Pantws emeis oi ellhnes prepei na, kai eimaste oi perissoteroi, ikanopoiimenoi apo afta poy exoume, yparxoun kai xeirotera !!! (afganistan, boulgaria, albania )
Sigoyra 8a mporoysan na ginoun polla pragmata an pragmatika endiaferotan kapiws kai xwris idietero kostos....
As min sygrinoume omws Ameriki me ellada...
As elpisoume oloi pantws se arketa... xronia i ellada na ftasei ton meso evropaiko epipedo anaptyksis kai tote 8a prepei na eimaste xaroumenoi !
Egw deftera prwi-prwi paragelnw to
Peugeot 307 1.6 XS !!!!!
ws twra odigousa
Toyota corolla 1.4 montelo 95 nomizw...
(apolyta efxaristimenows ws simera...)
Neotera meta apo 1 mina poy 8a moy feroun to 307 !
000000001 0 00000 00000 000000000
0 001 0 101 00 00 00 10
0 01 100001 01 00 0000000 100001 000001 00000 1 10 0 01 101
00 111000 00 00 01 00 00 100 00 00 00 00 0 10001 0 01 100
0000000 00000000 01 00 10 00 00000000 00 01 0 00 0 01 00
0 0 01 00 10 00 0 00 01 0 101 00 01 01 00
01 00 100 00 100 00 100 00 100 00 00 00 00011100 0001100 00
01 100001 0000 00 000 00 00001 000001 00 00001 000 00
01 00
000001
0 1001 00 101 000001
00 10001000 00 100 1001111000
1000 00 11 00 001 00 10
0 0 1000 0000 0000
10 000 100 000 0000000
10 0 01 00 00 101
10 00 00 001 00 100 101
10 00 000000 00 100 000000001
Egw piga to radiokasetofwno poy eixame sto palio aftokinito se enan ilektroniko kai me 4.000drx moy ebgale ena byzmataki 'line in' (anoikse to radiokasetofwno kai kolise se kapies 8eseis to kalwdiaki afto...).
Meta agorasa me 30.000draxmes apo to plaisio ena diskman poy paizei kai mp3 kai me 3.000drxmes enan metasximatisti revmatos apo 12V se 3V.
Etsi exw to diskman panta sto ntoulapaki toy aftokinitoy (to tilekontrol toy eksw) kai exw MP3 player me 30.000 poy mporw na to pairnw kai... ektos aftokinitoy !!!
An exete idi radiokasetofwno aftokinitoy kai einai sxetika kalo skefteite kai aftin tin lysi...
paidia 8a kleisw to thread simera poy phra kai tin teliki apofasi...
Meta apo arketi skepsi (alla kai piesi apo toys goneis...) apofasisa na
epileksw to
taram-taram-taram
Peugeot 307 1.6 XS
Entos tis epomenis ebdomadas 8a to parageiloyme.
Efxaristw oloys esas poy eipate tin gnwmi sas kai tis symboules sas.
Pistevw 8a simbibastw grigora ston mi-sportif xaraktira toy aftokinitoy
kai 8a apolafsw tis ypoloipes aretes toy opws anesi-1600aris kinitiras...
Efxaristw kai pali,
Ilias....
Poso paei to setaki:
Skoypa, katalytis eksatmisi... (genika ola afta gia na apodidei to aftokinito +10 aloga peripoy ???)
(mazi me to kostos egatastasis...)
Ο χρήστης kilo έγραψε:
Πάντως η νέα Corolla είναι τελείως διαφορετική απο ότι ξέραμε μέχρι τώρα, και η αλήθεια είναι ότι πάει να χτυπήσει στα ίσια την αγορά των Golf και ενδεχομένως των Α3. Τώρα αν θα τα καταφέρει είναι άλλο θέμα.
H nea corolla 8a xtypisei (i exei xtypisei idi) to golf kai to A3 se 8emata kinitira, aksiopistias after sales kai isws kai se 8emata piotitas.
Den 8a ftasei pote omws (kyriws to A3) se 8emata kratimatos kai odikis symperiforas...
H nea corolla einai ena poly aksiologo aftokinito kai arketa omoro.
Omws ta 20.000 ta briskw YPERVOLIKA kai den 8a ta edina pote gia
corolla !
Parepiptntws ws twra odigw corolla toy 94 kai eimai para poly ikanopiimenos.
Akoma exei apo tis kalyteres epitaxynseis kai repriz (tin lew sta isia se
polla aftokinita me 100 aloga an kai i corolla evbaze mono 87)
kai den exei paei synergio pote (ektos apo ta programmatismena service ka8e 10.000km)
kai twra skeftomai na parw to 307 i... to ibiza epeidi i nea corolla einai ADIKAIOLOGITA akribi sta 1600 !
Asxeto: enw egw kanw serv ka8e 10.000 xiliometra to 307 8elei ka8e 30.000 xiliometra allagi ladiwn kai service... ka8e dio xronia diladi ! 8a ksexnas poy einai to synergio !!!!
Ο χρήστης Nikos_BugsR @ T.F.R.C έγραψε:
H hliorofh poso kostizei?
H iliorofi kostizei 1.060 euro symfwna me to fyladio tis peugeot poy exw...
Ta problimata poy anafereis gia triksimata ta eixe kai enas filos moy alla toy ta ftiaksane entos eggyisis. Pantws to triksimo itan anepes8ito kai akougotan mono se xwmatodromo kai otan eixes kleisto to... radiofowno...
Paidia katarxin sorry gia to priksimo alla twra ta pragmata ta dyskolepse o... pateras moy!
Eide to 307 kai toy exei karfw8ei sto myalo... Toy arese toso poly poy enw edeine to poly 15.000 euyro
twra dinei 5.700.000 poy exei to 307 1.6 XS
An kai to 307 einai pio adiaforo odigika den pavei na einai ena aksiologo
megalo kai 1.6 (rixnei 1.5sec se olo to fasma sto ibiza)
BOHH8EEIIAAAAA
Na to dextw i oxi ???
Ibiza mikro alla sportif neaniko me 5.100.000
h 307 megalytero pio aneto kai pio dynato alla pio oikogeniako me 5.700.000 !
To epixeirima pare to ibiza kai dwse moy 600.000 sto xeri pantws den pianei
Kai pali sorry gia to priksimo !
Xm....
Den mperdevtika perissotero me ola avta alla mpika se skepseis...
Logo toy neanikoy xaraktira poy 8elw na exei to aftokinito kai to oti den 8elw na ksepernaei ta 15.000.000 (ektos kai an pragmatika aksizei) paramenw anamesa se clio kai ibiza me taseis pros to ibiza...
Ta leon ktl... einai sigoura pio akriba akoma kai se standar exoplismo kai exoun paromies epidoseis Eksalou giati na parw ena megalo aftokinito me ftwxo eksoplismo otan den xreiazomai megalo aftokinito ! Kalytera ena mikro plhrws eksoplismeno (dior8wste me an kanw la8os...)
H xsara einai se poly kali timi alla tin blepw poly 'Oikogeniaki'
Ta saxo, 106, 206 ta 8ewrw ligo palia kai spartiatika...
To punto einai kaloutsiko alla oloi mou lene OXI FIAT ( proswpika den exw tipota enantion tis fiat... exei enas filos moy kai einai ikanopoiimenos an kai parathrhse skouria se merika shmeia...)
Nomizw to 8ema afto exei apasxolisei kai to forum...
An kapios allos exei Ibiza perimenw gnwmes...
To ESP na to balw telika ?????
(mporei na moy kopsoyn ws kai 450 eyro (giati syni8ws dinoun 'dwro' synagiarmo an pareis to aftokinito metritois enw egw tous proteina na moy dwsoun to ESP... to arni8ikan fysika alla eipan oti 8a moy kopsoun kati apo to ESP (xwris na moy to yposxe8oun mexri na ginei i teliki paragelia ypo8etoun oti mporoun na moy kopsoun 450 apo ta 950 kai fysika na min baloun ton synagiarmo....))