Ο χρήστης ripper έγραψε:

τα σχεδόν 7 δέκατα διαφορά τα βλέπεις ως διαφορά οδηγική?

Φυσικά και όχι. Mόνο όταν είναι μπροστά ο Alonso η διαφορά είναι οδηγική.

Ο Hamilton μάλλον είναι αρκετά ελαφρύς. Και με βροχή να αναμένεται όλα είναι ανοιχτά.
Οι ταύροι τι πίνουν στην Κίνα;

μα φυσικά Red Bull

Ο χρήστης christos.dimou έγραψε:
Ο Flavio δεν θα παρακολουθήσει τον αγώνα της Κίνας.

http://www.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/ ... 4015.shtml

Ελπίζω ότι δεν υπάρχει σοβαρή επιπλοκή με τον καρκίνο που έχει τσιμπήσει (υπόθεση κάνω) για την απουσία του.

δε πηγε ο φλαβιο και τα σκατωσανε παλι...

Χμ........
Πολύ καύσιμο στο πρώτο pit stop προκειμένου να πιάσουν το τέλος της βροχής στο 2ο....?

'Αlonso slams McLaren near end of nightmare season
''I have another ten teams that could be interested in me''
06/10/07 16:03

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Alonso openly critical of McLaren boss Ron Dennis
Fernando Alonso on Saturday afternoon seemed to uncork a wave of intense frustration as he spoke to journalists from his native Spain.

After oddly qualifying six-tenths behind McLaren team-mate and title leader Lewis Hamilton in Shanghai, the reigning world champion did not try hard to hide his suspicion that the Woking based team had deliberately slowed down his single seater.

'I am really interested to know where I have lost this time, because I do not think I have lost six-tenths in the other 100 laps that I have done this weekend,' he said, according to the news agency EFE.

Alonso answered 'no' when specifically asked if he suspects McLaren of sabotage, but he also said he has 'no idea' if he has been weighed down with much more fuel than pole-sitter Hamilton.

He was rebuked on Friday by team boss Ron Dennis for saying he would 'not answer' a question about whether he expects equal treatment at the penultimate race of 2007.

Alonso added after qualifying: 'I don't know. I am not going to make a comment about this after each session.

'If I was three or four thousandths behind, it doesn't mean anything - it could be small differences in fuel levels or small details such as that.

'But six or seven tenths... I can't remember any time that I was so far behind anybody. That was the strange thing about (today).
Cliquez ici...

'If you have not had a good weekend, you say 'okay, I did not get comfortable with the car, with this corner'... but I have been fast all weekend, also in qualifying one and two.

'To be so far behind in qualifying three - I am the most surprised of all.'

Alonso was asked how much optimism he will now carry to Sunday's grid.

'None. Very little. You are fourth, you have to recover so many points, hope for the rain, hope for the others to have problems and you have the luck to finish,' he said.

Alonso was also critical of the 'atmosphere' he encounters at McLaren at every race, and accused Ron Dennis and his other bosses of planting negative stories about him in the German and British press.

'When I joined the team, I hoped for more. I arrived with two world championships, we have improved the car as much as we can - last year they were struggling to go into qualifying three and this year then are going to win the championship.

'The truth is that the treatment has not been very good.'

Alonso seemed particularly bitter about Dennis, a day after the McLaren Team Principal said he was 'disappointed' that the Spaniard had not defended the team's principles of equality.

'Sometimes it is better to shut up than to lie,' Alonso responded on Saturday. 'And if he did that more often, I believe his team would be a better one.

'I believe that many of the things and the scandals that have occurred this year have been caused by him.

'I have spoken a lot with Coulthard, Montoya, with Kimi, and all of them left the team and found great happiness. There must be something.

'If something is going to improve, it has to start with them (the team). You always hear about, or I am always told about, the so-called equality of the team.

'It is impossible to have it in Formula One - there is always a better engine, a better lap to stop, always a better something or other.'

Alonso is staunchly quiet about his plans for 2008, but he said he hopes to be able to prepare for next year 'soon'.

'Sometimes, by the things you hear or the actions, it seems like they also do not have any desire (to continue together). I don't have a problem; I have another ten teams that could be interested in me.

'Staying here... it is necessary to look at whether it is the best thing to do or not,' he said.

Source GMM
CAPSIS International'

http://www.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/ ... 0356.shtml

Ευθέως κατηγορεί την ομάδα...

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/63092

σε ποιο σημειο ακριβως εχεις προβλημα?

μαλλον , ποιο προβλημα εχει το f1-live και οι ειδησεις του autosport εχουν παντα περισσοτερες δηλωσεις?

Επιβεβαιώνει τη φήμη του μαλάκα. Πέρσυ στη Monza κατηγορούσε τους πάντες, όλοι τα παίρνουν, το πρωτάθλημα στημένο κλπ κλπ επειδή είδε ότι υπήρχε περίπτωση να μην το πάρει.
Φέτος πάλι τα ίδια. Κλασσική περίπτωση Prost. Μακάρι να μην έρθει στη Ferrari. Massa και πάλι Massa...

Εδώ δεν φωνάζουν οι οδηγοί της Ferrari και φωνάζει αυτός.

αντιθετως, τα περισσοτερα απο αυτα που ειπε ειναι σωστα , και στη μονζα δικιο ειχε. και πολυ καλα εκανε, ειχε δει αμετρητα περιστατικα. μαγκας που βγαινει και μιλαει

The double champion conceded, however, that teammate Lewis Hamilton will be a worthy champion if he becomes the first rookie to win the title.

'I think so, I think he deserves it if he wins it in the end,' Alonso added. 'I think you have to know how to win and how to lose, and if I don't win this year it's because someone has scored more points than me, and if that's the case it's because he has done a better job.'

Alonso, who has a contract with McLaren for the next two years but is increasingly unlikely to see out the deal, confessed he is unsure if he will be at the team in 2008.

'I don't know. What happens next year is another matter. All I know is that I have a contract here and we will see next year. There are 10 teams that could be interested in me.

'I'm ready to do the best I can, to help the team, to have a good car and try to win races. But they ... things like what they say or do, or days like at Spa, or all the lies that they leak to the press, both British and German, to go against me. That, inside my own team...They have to do something to improve the situation.'

**'He (Dennis) didn't promise me anything,' he said. 'You are always hearing about that so called equality in the team, but tell me what you brag about and I'll tell you what you are lacking.

'It's impossible to have equality in a Formula One team, there's always a better engine, a better lap to stop in, there's always a better option.

'I'm not saying it's not equality, because sometimes it's one driver's turn and other times it's the other's, but you always hear him talk about that or promising things, and it's not like that.'**

**
'It's better to be silent than to lie, that's for sure,' said Alonso about Dennis' remarks. 'And that's something he should do more often and I think the team would do better. Many of the scandals McLaren have been involved in off the track this year have been created by his things.

'Each one has his own philosophy, he has his, and we all understand it. I have spoken a lot with (David) Coulthard, with (Juan Pablo) Montoya, with Kimi (Raikkonen), and they have all left the team and found a lot of happiness. There must be a reason.'**

**'I was expecting a lot more, we all were,' Alonso said. 'From the outside, the team had a different image: serious, but very professional. And I arrived here after two titles; I improved the car as much as I could.

'Last year they were fighting to make it into Q3 and this year they are going to win the championship, and the truth is that the treatment has not been very good.'**

Ο χρήστης patro έγραψε:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/63092

σε ποιο σημειο ακριβως εχεις προβλημα?

μαλλον , ποιο προβλημα εχει το f1-live και οι ειδησεις του autosport εχουν παντα περισσοτερες δηλωσεις?

...

'Αlonso slams McLaren near end of nightmare season
''I have another ten teams that could be interested in me''
06/10/07 16:03

Photo F1-Live.com
Zoom
Alonso openly critical of McLaren boss Ron Dennis
Fernando Alonso on Saturday afternoon seemed to uncork a wave of intense frustration as he spoke to journalists from his native Spain.

After oddly qualifying six-tenths behind McLaren team-mate and title leader Lewis Hamilton in Shanghai, the reigning world champion did not try hard to hide his suspicion that the Woking based team had deliberately slowed down his single seater.

'I am really interested to know where I have lost this time, because I do not think I have lost six-tenths in the other 100 laps that I have done this weekend,' he said, according to the news agency EFE.

Alonso answered 'no' when specifically asked if he suspects McLaren of sabotage, but he also said he has 'no idea' if he has been weighed down with much more fuel than pole-sitter Hamilton.

He was rebuked on Friday by team boss Ron Dennis for saying he would 'not answer' a question about whether he expects equal treatment at the penultimate race of 2007.

Alonso added after qualifying: 'I don't know. I am not going to make a comment about this after each session.

'If I was three or four thousandths behind, it doesn't mean anything - it could be small differences in fuel levels or small details such as that.

'But six or seven tenths... I can't remember any time that I was so far behind anybody. That was the strange thing about (today).
Cliquez ici...

'If you have not had a good weekend, you say 'okay, I did not get comfortable with the car, with this corner'... but I have been fast all weekend, also in qualifying one and two.

'To be so far behind in qualifying three - I am the most surprised of all.'

Alonso was asked how much optimism he will now carry to Sunday's grid.

'None. Very little. You are fourth, you have to recover so many points, hope for the rain, hope for the others to have problems and you have the luck to finish,' he said.

Alonso was also critical of the 'atmosphere' he encounters at McLaren at every race, and accused Ron Dennis and his other bosses of planting negative stories about him in the German and British press.

'When I joined the team, I hoped for more. I arrived with two world championships, we have improved the car as much as we can - last year they were struggling to go into qualifying three and this year then are going to win the championship.

**'The truth is that the treatment has not been very good.'

Alonso seemed particularly bitter about Dennis, a day after the McLaren Team Principal said he was 'disappointed' that the Spaniard had not defended the team's principles of equality.

'Sometimes it is better to shut up than to lie,' Alonso responded on Saturday. 'And if he did that more often, I believe his team would be a better one.

'I believe that many of the things and the scandals that have occurred this year have been caused by him.

'I have spoken a lot with Coulthard, Montoya, with Kimi, and all of them left the team and found great happiness. There must be something.

'If something is going to improve, it has to start with them (the team). You always hear about, or I am always told about, the so-called equality of the team.**

'It is impossible to have it in Formula One - there is always a better engine, a better lap to stop, always a better something or other.'

Alonso is staunchly quiet about his plans for 2008, but he said he hopes to be able to prepare for next year 'soon'.

'**Sometimes, by the things you hear or the actions, it seems like they also do not have any desire (to continue together). I don't have a problem; I have another ten teams that could be interested in me.

'Staying here... it is necessary to look at whether it is the best thing to do or not,'** he said.

Source GMM
CAPSIS International'

http://www.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/ ... 0356.shtml

Ευθέως κατηγορεί την ομάδα...

People have eyes and can read...at least try to...

προσπαθησε εσυ να διαβασεις ολοκληρο το κομματι που ειναι στο λινκ παραπανω.

ναι ωραια , λες οτι οι κιμι , μοντογια , κουλθαρντ δεν ειπαν αυτα που λεει αλλα του ειπαν μονο καλα λογια? προφανως το εμαθε απο πρωτο χερι , ναι εχει προβλημα με τη συμπεριφορα τους , εσυ που κολας????????

κατηγορει την ομαδα για τη συμπεριφορα , οχι επειδη εχασε το πρωταθλημα

Όταν θεωρείς ότι κάτι είναι στημένο τότε γιατί αγωνίζεσαι;
Τον MS το '94 τον είχαν ρημάξει στους αποκλεισμούς, τις ποινές και τις μαύρες σημαίες; Αντί να κλαψουρίζει συνέχισε να πολεμά και έφτασε στον τελευταίο αγώνα να πάρει τον τίτλο έστω με τον τρόπο που τον πήρε.
Ο μικρός Fernando όποτε τα πράγματα δεν του πάνε καλά βγαίνει και σκούζει.
Μπορεί να έχει και δίκιο αλλά δεν μου αρέσει ο τρόπος του. Θυμίζει timing νηπιαγωγείου...

Ο χρήστης EDDIE_147 έγραψε:
Όταν θεωρείς ότι κάτι είναι στημένο τότε γιατί αγωνίζεσαι;

δηλαδη δεν υπαρχουν λαθος αποφασεις????? σοβαρεψου λιγακι δεν εχω χρονο για βλακειες και πρεπει να κανει τα κλειστα ματια και να μη λεει για τις μαλακιες? ΕΛΕΟΣ να κατσει να τον γαμησουν κιολας , οποιος ποδοσφαιρηστης αδικηθει να παραιτηται και να μη διαμαρτυρεται.σοβαρεψου λιγακι

μπορεις να λες οτι θες , το θεμα ειναι οτι δεν κατηγορει την ομαδα επειδη εχασε , ισα ισα που παραδεχεται οτι ο Λουης ειναι αξιος πρωταθλητης.

τους κατηγορει για την ασχημη συμπεριφορα τους και αυτα δε τα ξερεις ουτε εσυ ουτε εγω.

το f1live το μονο που ξερει ειναι να δημιουργει εντυπωσεις

Με φαίνεται ο Αρτέμηθ έχει υπογράψει αλλού. Δεν τον έχω για ΤΟΣΟ λαλάκα να βρίζει ευθέως την ομάδα του αν έχει συμφωνήσει για του χρόνου. Αυτό είναι αχρείαστος κωλοπαιδισμός. Το μόνο που του εξασφαλίζει είναι ΣΙΓΟΥΡΟ σαμποτάζ του χρόνου στη McLaren.

Ο χρήστης liostemi έγραψε:
Πλάκα-πλάκα, δεν μπορεί να είναι τυχαίο ότι ο Χάμιλτον παίρνει PP αλλά και νίκες.
Κρίμα που δεν φρόντισε να παραμείνει αρκετά συμπαθής για τον περισσότερο κόσμο...

Για το ότι δεν παρέμεινε συμπαθής για τον περισσότερο κόσμο (που κι αυτό ελέγχεται) φταίνε 3 πράγματα:

1. Πάει να πάρει πρωτάθλημα κι αυτό είναι κάτι που όταν το καταφέρνει κάποιος ενοχλεί ΠΟΛΥ κόσμο.
2. Έχει γλοιωδέστατο προμοτάρισμα από το λόμπυ του νησιού το οποίο σε πολύ κόσμο έχει τα αντιστρόφως ανάλογα αποτελέσματα από τα επιθυμητά
3. Η πολλή αβάντα του έδωσε το θάρρος να κάνει αντι-δηλώσεις σαν απαντήσεις στον Αλόνσο, κάτι που θεωρώ πως δεν τον βοήθησε τόσο θετικά όσο το να μην είχε ασχοληθεί καθόλου.

Εγώ κρίνοντάς τον απλά σαν οδηγό, τον θεωρώ κορυφαίο και πανάξιο πρωταθλητή αν καταφέρει να κερδίσει. Τα καλός/κακός χαρακτήρας είναι 'νά 'χαμε να λέγαμε'.

νταξει εδω θα μαστε και του χρονου
οποιοσδηποτε πιλότος παει στην Μακλαρεν και διεκδικει νίκες πχ Webber ή Sutil ή Rosberg
βαζω στοιχημα οτι θα κάνει τα ίδια και ίσως περισσότερα παράπονα από τον Αλόνσο

Ο χρήστης ripper έγραψε:

τα σχεδόν 7 δέκατα διαφορά τα βλέπεις ως διαφορά οδηγική?

Φυσικά και όχι. Mόνο όταν είναι μπροστά ο Alonso η διαφορά είναι οδηγική.

Ο Hamilton μάλλον είναι αρκετά ελαφρύς. Και με βροχή να αναμένεται όλα είναι ανοιχτά.
Οι ταύροι τι πίνουν στην Κίνα;

Δεν ξέρω, δεν έχω πάει!

Ο χρήστης taurus έγραψε:

τα σχεδόν 7 δέκατα διαφορά τα βλέπεις ως διαφορά οδηγική?

Φυσικά και όχι. Mόνο όταν είναι μπροστά ο Alonso η διαφορά είναι οδηγική.

Ο Hamilton μάλλον είναι αρκετά ελαφρύς. Και με βροχή να αναμένεται όλα είναι ανοιχτά.
Οι ταύροι τι πίνουν στην Κίνα;

Δεν ξέρω, δεν έχω πάει!

Γυριζω απο ταξιδι Αθηνα-Πατρα και επιστροφη και τι να δω..
ο Taurus στο forum παλι..
Μεσα το Σαββατοβραδο...

Σημερα ημουν πιο γρηγορος απο τον hamilton στο δολοφονικο εθνικο
δικτυο προς Πατρα..

Ο χρήστης cavallino έγραψε:

Πλάκα-πλάκα, δεν μπορεί να είναι τυχαίο ότι ο Χάμιλτον παίρνει PP αλλά και νίκες.
Κρίμα που δεν φρόντισε να παραμείνει αρκετά συμπαθής για τον περισσότερο κόσμο...

Για το ότι δεν παρέμεινε συμπαθής για τον περισσότερο κόσμο (που κι αυτό ελέγχεται) φταίνε 3 πράγματα:

1. Πάει να πάρει πρωτάθλημα κι αυτό είναι κάτι που όταν το καταφέρνει κάποιος ενοχλεί ΠΟΛΥ κόσμο.
2. Έχει γλοιωδέστατο προμοτάρισμα από το λόμπυ του νησιού το οποίο σε πολύ κόσμο έχει τα αντιστρόφως ανάλογα αποτελέσματα από τα επιθυμητά
3. Η πολλή αβάντα του έδωσε το θάρρος να κάνει αντι-δηλώσεις σαν απαντήσεις στον Αλόνσο, κάτι που θεωρώ πως δεν τον βοήθησε τόσο θετικά όσο το να μην είχε ασχοληθεί καθόλου.

Εγώ κρίνοντάς τον απλά σαν οδηγό, τον θεωρώ κορυφαίο και πανάξιο πρωταθλητή αν καταφέρει να κερδίσει. Τα καλός/κακός χαρακτήρας είναι 'νά 'χαμε να λέγαμε'.

Δεν τον συμπαθούν οι φαν του Αλόνσο και οι αντι-ΜακΛάρεν...