Ο χρήστης Tiger έγραψε:

Ε μετα οποιος εχει mercedes θα ειναι κλεφτης...

Στην Ελλάδα, ισχύει. Με ελάχιστες εξαιρέσεις, αλλά δεν είναι αυτές το θέμα μας. (μια απ' αυτές είναι οι αλβανοί με μερσεντέ )

Υπουργείο - διευθυντήριο

Το ενδεχόμενο να προταθεί η δημιουργία ευρωπαϊκού υπουργείου οικονομικών έθεσε σήμερα ο επικεφαλής της Ευρωπαϊκής Κεντρικής Τράπεζας, Ζαν Κλοντ Τρισέ, ώστε να αποφευχθούν στο μέλλον τα προβλήματα των διαφορετικών πολιτικών που διευρύνουν τις διαφορές εντός της ευρωζώνης.
Τη δημιουργία ενός ευρωπαϊκού υπερ - υπουργείου οικονομικών ώστε να αρθούν οι αποκλείσεις στην οικονομική πολιτική της Ευρωπαϊκής Ενωσης σκέφτεται θετικά ο Τρισέ.

http://www.ethnos.gr/article.asp?catid=22770&subid=2&pubid=63111200

46.319 ευρώ για λογαριασμούς κινητών στο πολιτικό γραφείο Πάγκαλου

Ο χρήστης ** ** έγραψε:
Ο αντιπρόεδρος της κυβέρνησης Θεόδωρος Πάγκαλος συχνά έχει έρθει σε σκληρή αντιπαράθεση με διάφορες κοινωνικές ομάδες,με πρώτη απ΄ όλες τους στρατιωτικούς. Οι ατάκες του περί αντιπαραγωγικών στρατιωτικών και ότι όλοι μαζί τα φάγαμε τον έχουν κάνει κόκκινο πανί .

Απ΄ αυτή την άποψη προκαλεί εντύπωση το έγγραφο που έφθασε στα χέρια μας με τη πίστωση που εγκρίθηκε για τους λογαριασμούς κινητών τηλεφώνων μόνο στο Πολιτικό Γραφείο του Αντιπροέδρου. 46.319 ευρώ είναι το ποσό που αναγράφεται στο έγγραφο και χωρίς αμφιβολία προκαλεί τις ημέρες που ζούμε.

Επειδή όμως ο διάβολος κρύβεται στις λεπτομέρειες ,είμαστε ανοιχτοί σε διευκρινίσεις .Να δούμε τέλος πάντων πόσους υπαλλήλους αφορά η πίστωση,πόσες συσκευές και όλα τα σχετικά. Όπως και να 'χει πάντως υπάρχει και το σταθερό τηλέφωνο. Μην το ξεχνάμε,γιατί μετά θα λέμε ότι 'όλοι μαζί τα φάγαμε', στα κινητά!

http://www.onalert.gr/default.php?pname ... rt_id=6039

Ο χρήστης koubeast έγραψε:
46.319 ευρώ για λογαριασμούς κινητών στο πολιτικό γραφείο Πάγκαλου

Ο αντιπρόεδρος της κυβέρνησης Θεόδωρος Πάγκαλος συχνά έχει έρθει σε σκληρή αντιπαράθεση με διάφορες κοινωνικές ομάδες,με πρώτη απ΄ όλες τους στρατιωτικούς. Οι ατάκες του περί αντιπαραγωγικών στρατιωτικών και ότι όλοι μαζί τα φάγαμε τον έχουν κάνει κόκκινο πανί .

Απ΄ αυτή την άποψη προκαλεί εντύπωση το έγγραφο που έφθασε στα χέρια μας με τη πίστωση που εγκρίθηκε για τους λογαριασμούς κινητών τηλεφώνων μόνο στο Πολιτικό Γραφείο του Αντιπροέδρου. 46.319 ευρώ είναι το ποσό που αναγράφεται στο έγγραφο και χωρίς αμφιβολία προκαλεί τις ημέρες που ζούμε.

Επειδή όμως ο διάβολος κρύβεται στις λεπτομέρειες ,είμαστε ανοιχτοί σε διευκρινίσεις .Να δούμε τέλος πάντων πόσους υπαλλήλους αφορά η πίστωση,πόσες συσκευές και όλα τα σχετικά. Όπως και να 'χει πάντως υπάρχει και το σταθερό τηλέφωνο. Μην το ξεχνάμε,γιατί μετά θα λέμε ότι 'όλοι μαζί τα φάγαμε', στα κινητά!

http://www.onalert.gr/default.php?pname ... rt_id=6039

Μαζί μιλούσαμε

Βόμβα από ΔΗΣΥ στο πολιτικό σύστημα: ΠΑΣΟΚ 12,7%, ΝΔ 7,8% τον Απρίλιο!
http://taxalia.blogspot.com/2011/06/127-78.html

βομβα ειναι που ακομη και τωρα εχουν τοσο μεγαλο ποσοστο..

Ο χρήστης Saligari_Magiko έγραψε:

46.319 ευρώ για λογαριασμούς κινητών στο πολιτικό γραφείο Πάγκαλου

Μαζί μιλούσαμε

Έστω και μπουκωμένοι.

Η κατρακύλα δεν έχει τελειωμό.
Μετά μιλάμε για την περίφημη δημοκρατία μας.
Ποια δημοκρατία , θυμάται κανείς πότε ρωτήθηκε για τελευταία φορά σ αυτόν τον τόπο για κάτι?
Α ναι , δεν ξεχνάμε , μπορούμε να προσέλθουμε στις κάλπες οταν οι ταγοί το αποφασίσζουν.

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για τον koutsan

The European Gold Confiscation Scheme Unfolds: European Parliament Approves Use Of Gold As Collateral
Wonder why Europe is pressing so hard for Greece (and soon the other PIIGS) to collateralize its pre-petition loans on a Debtor in Possession basis? Here is your answer: 'Yesterday’s unanimous agreement by the European Parliament’s Committee on Economic and Monetary Affairs (ECON) to allow central counterparties to accept gold as collateral, under the European Market Infrastructure Regulation (EMIR), is further recognition of gold’s growing relevance as a high quality liquid asset. This vote reinforces market demand for a greater choice of assets that can be used as collateral to meet margin liabilities.' Luckily for Greece, it has 111.5 tons of gold in storage (somewhere at the New York Fed most likely). Looking down the road, Portugal has 382.5 tons, Spain 281.6, and Italy leads the pack with 2,451.8 tons.

The Economic and Monetary Affairs Committee of the European Parliament has approved gold to be used as collateral confirming its status as a high-quality liquid asset

Yesterday’s unanimous agreement by the European Parliament’s Committee on Economic and Monetary Affairs (ECON) to allow central counterparties to accept gold as collateral, under the European Market Infrastructure Regulation (EMIR), is further recognition of gold’s growing relevance as a high quality liquid asset.

This vote reinforces market demand for a greater choice of assets that can be used as collateral to meet margin liabilities.

Natalie Dempster, Director of Government Affairs at the World Gold Council said:

“It is very significant that the European Parliament is putting its weight behind the argument that the unique characteristics of gold make it an ideal form of high quality liquid collateral.

“We now look forward to the European Parliament and Council of the European Union upholding the inclusion of gold in the next stage of negotiations around EMIR which will now take place after the July plenary vote. The ratification would mark a significant step forward in redefining what constitutes a highly liquid asset under the Capital Requirements IV Directive, due in the coming month, from the European Commission.”

Market demand for gold to be used as a high quality liquid asset and as collateral has been building for some time. In late 2010, ICE Clear Europe, a leading European derivatives clearing house, became the first clearing house in Europe to accept gold as collateral. In February 2011, JP Morgan became the first bank to accept gold bullion as collateral via its tri-party collateral management arm. Exchanges across the world, such as Chicago Mercantile Exchange, are now accepting gold as collateral for certain trades and London-based clearing house LCH Clearnet has said that it also plans to start accepting gold as collateral later this year, subject to regulatory approval.

The World Gold Council has examined this trend and has defined the characteristics that make gold an excellent form of collateral in its study “Gold as a source of collateral”. The report includes a case study on ICE Clear Europe, explaining why the central counterparty clearing house has started to accept gold as collateral and how this operates in practice.

“As regulators, from G20 countries, demand that more OTC trading is cleared on exchanges and with the ongoing world economic difficulties further eroding the credit worthiness of other forms of collateral, we expect to see increasing demand by clearing houses, exchanges and investment banks to use gold as collateral,” says Natalie Dempster.

meanwhile...

U.N. sees risk of crisis of confidence in dollar
The United Nations warned on Wednesday of a possible crisis of confidence in, and even a 'collapse' of, the U.S. dollar if its value against other currencies continued to decline.

In a mid-year review of the world economy, the U.N. economic division said such a development, stemming from the falling value of foreign dollar holdings, would imperil the global financial system.

The report, an update of the U.N. 'World Economic Situation and Prospects 2011' report first issued in December, noted that the dollar exchange rate against a basket of other key currencies had reached its lowest level since the 1970s.[ ]

This trend, it said, had recently been driven in part by interest rate differentials between the United States and other major economies and growing concern about the sustainability of the U.S. public debt, half of which is held by foreigners.

'As a result, further (expected) losses of the book value of the vast foreign reserve holdings could trigger a crisis of confidence in the reserve currency, which would put the entire global financial system at risk,' it said. [ ]

The 17-page report referred at another point to the 'still looming risk of a collapse of the United States dollar.'

Rob Vos, a senior U.N. economist involved with the report, said if emerging markets 'massively start selling off dollars, then you can have this risk of a slide in the dollar.

'We're not saying the collapse is imminent, but the factors are further building up that we could quickly come to that stage if other things are not improving quickly on other fronts -- like the risk of the U.S. not being able to service its obligations,' he told Reuters.

U.N. economists have for some time queried whether the dollar should continue to be the world's sole reserve currency. Others have also expressed concerns about U.S. finances.

Standard & Poor's threatened on April 18 to downgrade the United States' prized AAA credit rating unless the Obama administration and Congress found a way to slash the yawning federal budget deficit within two years.

A downgrade would erode the status of the United States as the world's most powerful economy and the dollar's role as the dominant global currency.

Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner said on Wednesday the U.S. government would 'never default on its obligations.' [ εκτός από κάτι συνταξιούχους, κάτι ανάπηρους, αλλά νταξ αυτοί δεν μετράνε ]

[spoiler=...:7z8dzq3s]ASSET BUBBLES

Assessing the broader global economy, the U.N. report said recovery from the 2008 financial crisis continued to be led by China, India and Brazil, but that their growth outlook was moderating due to fears of inflation and domestic asset price bubbles.

It took a slightly more optimistic view of world growth prospects than it did six months ago, forecasting 3.3 percent expansion this year and 3.6 percent in 2012, compared with 3.1 percent and 3.5 percent respectively.

The United Nations uses a different exchange rate calculation than the International Monetary Fund and the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, making its global growth figures slightly lower.

It boosted its forecast for U.S. gross domestic product growth this year from 2.2 percent to 2.6 percent but kept next year's estimate steady at 2.8 percent.

The report cut Japan's growth outlook this year by more than a third to 0.7 percent following March's catastrophic earthquake, tsunami and nuclear plant crisis. It put damage to buildings and infrastructure at about 25 trillion yen ($305 billion) or 5 percent of GDP.

Despite a recent surge in oil prices, it predicted that barring major disruptions from political unrest in the Middle East, they would level off at an average $99 a barrel this year -- close to the price of U.S. crude on Wednesday -- and fall to an average of $90 next year.

'Supply and demand conditions do not warrant a continued upward trend,' it said.

Food prices have also been soaring but the report said better harvests were expected to moderate them in the second half of this year.[/spoiler:7z8dzq3s]

Moody’s May Cut U.S. If No Debt Limit Progress
Moody’s Investors Service said it will put the U.S. government’s Aaa credit rating under review for a downgrade unless there’s progress on increasing the debt limit by mid-July.

“The heightened polarization over the debt limit has increased the odds of a short-lived default,” New York-based Moody’s said in a statement today. “If this situation remains unchanged in coming weeks, Moody’s will place the rating under review.”

Treasury Secretary Timothy F. Geithner has warned that a failure to raise the debt ceiling by Aug. 2, the date he now projects borrowing authority would be exhausted, may have catastrophic effects on the U.S. economy by sharply raising borrowing costs. Republicans are using the debt-ceiling talks to press for cuts in government spending.

Geithner today predicted that agreements would be reached on both issues.

“I’m confident two things are going to happen this summer,” he told reporters after meeting with freshman House members at the Capitol. “One is we’re going to avoid a default crisis, and we’re going to reach agreement on a long-term fiscal plan.”

House Speaker John Boehner, Republican of Ohio, used the Moody’s statement to underscore his party’s position that any deal on raising the $14.3 trillion debt ceiling must be accompanied by a plan to reduce budget deficits.

**‘Credible Agreement’ **

“An increase in the debt limit without major spending cuts will hurt our economy and destroy jobs,” Boehner said in a statement. “A credible agreement means the spending cuts must exceed the debt-limit increase.”

In April, Standard & Poor’s put the U.S. government on notice that it risks losing its top AAA credit rating unless policy makers agree on a plan by 2013 to reduce budget deficits and the national debt.

The announcement by S&P marked the first time the U.S. credit outlook was questioned since 1995 and 1996, when a dispute between then-President Bill Clinton and House Speaker Newt Gingrich led to government shutdowns. Fitch Ratings put U.S. debt on a “negative ratings watch” in November 1995 until spring 1996, and Moody’s put some U.S. government bonds on review for a possible downgrade in January 1996.

“Obviously the debt limit has to be raised or it’s going to bring a severe blow to the U.S. economy,” said Jason Rogan, director of U.S. government trading at Guggenheim Partners LLC, a New York-based brokerage for institutional investors. Moody’s is “pretty much restating what everyone on Wall Street is well aware of.”

[spoiler=...:1o3mltk5]**Treasuries, Stocks **

Yields on 10-year Treasuries climbed to 3.03 percent at 5 p.m. in New York, from 3.01 percent before the Moody’s announcement and a six-month low of 2.94 percent yesterday. The euro climbed as much as 1.3 percent to $1.4514, the strongest level since May 6. The Standard & Poor’s 500 Index, which tumbled 2.3 percent yesterday amid concern the economic recovery is faltering, fell 0.1 percent to 1,312.94 after opening the session at its cheapest valuation since March.

Representative Steny Hoyer of Maryland, the second-ranking Democrat in the House, said the warning by Moody’s makes clear that both parties must act on raising the debt ceiling.

“The markets ought to know we’re going to get this done,” Hoyer said after a White House meeting with President Barack Obama. A default “would have catastrophic consequences.”

A Treasury official said the department did not have any conversations with Moody’s in advance of the announcement and found out about it shortly before it was released.

**Spending Cuts **

A bill that would raise the limit by $2.4 trillion failed to win House passage May 31 in a vote Democrats said was rigged to ensure its defeat. Republicans who control the House of Representatives announced the vote last week as a way to demonstrate that lawmakers don’t support extending the limit unless agreement is reached with the Obama administration on significant spending cuts.

“The negotiations now on deficit reduction over the medium term are a significant opportunity to actually do something on that front,” said Steven Hess, senior credit officer at Moody’s in New York. “Although fundamentally, the debt limit question is separate from long-term deficit reduction, they seem to be linked at this point in Washington.”

Boehner yesterday said “it’s time” he and Obama get personally involved in talks on a debt-reduction package. Boehner was voicing concerns that bipartisan negotiations led by Vice President Joe Biden are proceeding too slowly.

Boehner said the White House and Congress should strike a deal within a month to avoid a continuing impasse over raising the debt ceiling.

**Face-to-Face **

His comments raised the possibility that the stalemate could culminate in the coming weeks in the year’s second high- level negotiation between Obama and Republican leaders on spending cuts. Obama and Boehner hashed out the final details of an agreement on the 2011 federal budget face-to-face at the White House in April, agreeing to about $38.5 billion in reductions with just hours to spare before a government shutdown.

Biden is directing negotiations among a bipartisan group of six House and Senate lawmakers, with a goal of a $1 trillion debt-reduction package.

Democrats and Republicans have found common ground on an estimated $200 billion in cuts to programs outside of Medicare, Social Security and Medicaid, according to congressional aides. Still, the two sides have yet to address many of the most difficult issues in the budget, according to Maryland Representative Chris Van Hollen, a Democratic member of the panel.

Cuts to Medicare

Democratic members, like South Carolina Representative Jim Clyburn, are opposed to cutting Medicare, while Republicans like House Majority Leader Eric Cantor insist they will not allow tax increases as part of a budget plan. The Biden group is scheduled to meet next on June 9.

A separate budget-cutting effort led by Senators Mark Warner of Virginia, a Democrat, and Saxby Chambliss of Georgia, a Republican, has stalled after losing one of its three Republican members, Senator Tom Coburn of Oklahoma.

For all the debate over the debt limit, bond yields in the U.S. are lower now than when the government was running a budget surplus a decade ago.

Credit-default swaps that protect against default on U.S. debt for one year have risen to 46.5 basis points from 24 basis points on May 16, when the U.S. reached the borrowing limit, according to data provided by CMA, which is owned by CME Group Inc. and compiles prices quoted by dealers in the privately negotiated market. The contracts pay the buyer face value if a borrower fails to meet its obligations, less the value of the defaulted debt.[/spoiler:1o3mltk5]

προσωπικα πιστευω οτι ολα αυτα τα δημοσιευματα και αποφασεις των αξιολογητων ειναι για να εκβιασουν μια γρηγορη αποφαση για περικοπες στην Αμερικη... Ομπαμα και ρεπουμπλικανοι κουβεντιαζουν πανω σε αυτο... και αργα η γρηγορα θα δωσουν λυση... μην ξεχναμαι οτι ηδη ο Ομπαμα ζηταει προγραμμα περικοπων ωστε το ελλειμα να παει στα 10 τρις απο 14 που ειναι τωρα...σε βαθος 12 ετων....

Το χρέος εννοείς.

αληθεια αυτη η moodys με ποιο κρητηριο βγαζει αποφασεις σαν αυτες?

δικούς της 'αλγόριθμους' εκτίμησης

Στρίβουν νόμισμα.

Ουτοπία η αποπληρωμή του χρέους
Την αδυναμία της Ελλάδας να αποπληρώσει έγκαιρα το χρέος της, δήλωσε ο Αυστριακός καθηγητής Οικονομικών στο Πανεπιστήμιο του Λιντς, Φρίντριχ Σνάιντερ, ένας από τους τρεις συμβούλους που έστειλε η ΕΚΤ στην Ελλάδα για να μελετήσουν το φορολογικό σύστημα της χώρας.
Ο αυστριακός καθηγητής είπε ότι ο μέσος Έλληνας πρέπει να διαχειρισθεί μείωση του εισοδήματός του κατά 30% έως 40%, προσθέτοντας ότι αυτό δίνει ώθηση στην αδήλωτη εργασία και την παραοικονομία, επειδή είναι ο μόνος τομέας που μπορεί να αποφέρει τουλάχιστον λίγα επιπλέον χρήματα
http://www.ethnos.gr/article.asp?catid=22770&subid=2&pubid=63113170

Ο χρήστης Kωνσταντίνος έγραψε:

Ο αυστριακός καθηγητής είπε ότι ο μέσος Έλληνας πρέπει να διαχειρισθεί μείωση του εισοδήματός του κατά 30% έως 40%,

Ο χρήστης bibendum έγραψε:

Ο αυστριακός καθηγητής είπε ότι ο μέσος Έλληνας πρέπει να διαχειρισθεί μείωση του εισοδήματός του κατά 30% έως 40%,

Ετσι ακριβως ειναι.
Ολοι θα φανε παπα και μεγάλο,εδω εφοπλιστες ειναι σε αναδιαρθρωση δανειων (Πιστιολης) δηλαδη χρεοκοπια στην ουσια,ο Λατσης δεν ξερει εαν θα εχει τραπεζα αυριο κ.ο.κ.
Και φυσικα απο την ΓΕΝΟΠ μεχρι τον Λατση,ολοι προσπαθουν να μην πληρωσουν ή να πληρώσουν οσο το δυνατον λιγότερο.
Αυτοι που θα την πληρωσουν ειναι κυριοτερα οι κακομοιρηδες που την εβγαζαν μηνας μπαινει-μηνας βγαινει,αυτοι που θα πρεπει να πουλησουν το εξοχικο και να μην εχουν 4 αυτοκινητα στο γκαραζ σιγα την ζημια που θα παθουν.

ποιος ειχε πει οτι το καθε μωρο απο το 2010 και μετα θα χρωσταει με την γεννηση του 30.000 ευρω?